papimuzo Posted September 10, 2014 Share #1 Posted September 10, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have red that the Leica T (701) will receive soon an update for its firmware (LUF testers requested from Leica: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-t/345877-beta-testers-wanted-new-leica-t.html). Can we hope that the XVario will see also soon such an update??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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colonel Posted September 10, 2014 Share #2 Posted September 10, 2014 I have red that the Leica T (701) will receive soon an update for its firmware (LUF testers requested from Leica: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-t/345877-beta-testers-wanted-new-leica-t.html).Can we hope that the XVario will see also soon such an update??? If I was given a £1 every-time this question was asked ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papimuzo Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted September 11, 2014 Don't count on me to give you any cent each time I think about firmware update... Happy pictures and day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted September 11, 2014 Share #4 Posted September 11, 2014 I share your frustration. I am sure Leica will address the deficiency. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Morley Posted September 11, 2014 Share #5 Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) I share your frustration. I am sure Leica will address the deficiency. Hello David, I just wish I shared your enthusiasm for all things Leica but lt us just hope they will indeed provide a much needed update which if it ever happens might hopefully shorten the X-Vario's wake up time and make the Exposure and AF systems more reliable, though personally I rather doubt it will ever happen as I suspect Leica's boffins have moved on to favor other products within Leica's range instead. But who knows? Stranger things have happened and so we can but live on in hope. Don Edited September 11, 2014 by Don Morley 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted September 11, 2014 Share #6 Posted September 11, 2014 I fear you might be right Don, regarding Leica's priorities. If I remain optimistic it is because I am getting such good results from my small bag with X1 and XV cameras. Indoors, the X1 proves better for many shots while the excellent versatile XV lens continues to surprise me with its performance. True some improvements would help, but they are not critical to my fields of application. I was rather hoping member MJH would have joined the discussions on the subject firmware update debate. He is unusually well-informed. The fact that he hasn't reduces my expectations unfortunately. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted September 11, 2014 Share #7 Posted September 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) The XV has no major bugs or deficiencies ...... so there is no urgency in some firmware tweaks and improvements ........ The T is a flagship product and has a number of minor glitches and some poorly implemented/inconsistent features .... so I think Leica are giving it priority ...... and I wouldn't expect to see the fruit of the beta testing for a couple of months from past experience ...... Having said that ...... Leica were VERY responsive to the last M beta testing findings and quick to provide updates to try again ...... pity they aren't doing it with the XV ..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltraumpräsident Posted September 12, 2014 Share #8 Posted September 12, 2014 The XV has no major bugs or deficiencies ...... so there is no urgency in some firmware tweaks and improvements ........ I read that you must use the flash when you want the automatic picture review switch off to work. Isn't that the case? What would be a major bug for you which can be fixed with a FW update? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 12, 2014 Share #9 Posted September 12, 2014 The XV has no major bugs or deficiencies ...... so there is no urgency in some firmware tweaks and improvements ........ The T is a flagship product and has a number of minor glitches and some poorly implemented/inconsistent features .... so I think Leica are giving it priority ...... and I wouldn't expect to see the fruit of the beta testing for a couple of months from past experience ...... Having said that ...... Leica were VERY responsive to the last M beta testing findings and quick to provide updates to try again ...... pity they aren't doing it with the XV ..... Except the auto-iso-implementation of the X-Vario and x2 is not really usefull at all and different from all other digital Leicas. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Morley Posted September 12, 2014 Share #10 Posted September 12, 2014 The XV has no major bugs or deficiencies ...... so there is no urgency in some firmware tweaks and improvements ........ The T is a flagship product and has a number of minor glitches and some poorly implemented/inconsistent features .... so I think Leica are giving it priority ...... and I wouldn't expect to see the fruit of the beta testing for a couple of months from past experience ...... Having said that ...... Leica were VERY responsive to the last M beta testing findings and quick to provide updates to try again ...... pity they aren't doing it with the XV ..... Depends on what you call major? I regard any camera which takes so long to start up from switching on as my X-Vario does as having not just MAJOR but also inexcusable faults, and that is without my even mentioning the unduly hit or miss AF rate or the oft strange Auto Exposure results, none of which problems should be suffered in this day and age, let alone by such a expensive and otherwise potentially superb little camera. Don:mad: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted September 12, 2014 Share #11 Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Hi All, well having kicked around for many moons, I had one of the original build it yourself Lotusi, what fun, what adrenaline, b u t -> time @ Lotus or the dealership (Edgware, Mddx, UK) was as regular as the local mailman.. I have come to accept the shortcomings of these hybrid Leica's. Yes, for the $$$'s they cost and the overall investment in the marque, Leica should & must do better. A very stiff email/letter to each of the Leica board will show your discontent & will I'm sure get some ball rolling somewhere. I really do think that Leica are somewhat behind in the digital technology field, yes they tweak the sensors & processors to give the "Look" we want and kudos for that b u t the overall reliability & QC are NOT on a par with the price tag....... If a camera cannot "Do" what the Menu's show, then remove it from the Menu! get a third party electronics guru the find and sort out the M "Freezing" issue.. My own thoughts, that the power required when everything is On and being used outweighs the battery/power circuits capabilities,. As much as I want the Digital Rangefinder experience, I will not plonk my $'s down until the Mothership acknowledge & can sort out these current issues. The XV has shortcomings, but overall a far better reliability history than the afore mentioned M range. I want my car To GO' my camera To Work' and my bank to be happy to see me!....... Edited September 12, 2014 by manoleica Added Info/Thoughts........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papimuzo Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Yes thighslapper you are right: no major bugs and deficiencies. BUT, at least what the menu indicates should at least work! What about to not use the LSD for automatic review? What about to have the choice to shot only DNG? What about a real auto-iso process? My remark (linking to the T system updating) was in relation to the Leica factory history and fame: remember the cameras were said to be repaired for a "life" time, when cameras were mainly constructed with metal pieces. Now that the sofware (firmware) takes a large part of the camera performances, I have the feeling that Leica should put attention of the maintenance-improvment of this part of their products. It is the case for the Ms (M8,M9,M240) and apparently the T range. So I still hope that the XV will be treated as well as a serious product. Thanks WDA to have brough attention on this problem to Mr Admin (Andreas Jürgensen).. Edited September 12, 2014 by papimuzo addition 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted September 13, 2014 Share #13 Posted September 13, 2014 You cannot shoot only DNG as the camera uses the JPG for the display And the reason is probably also why the camera is slow to power up, slow to update the EVF, slow AF and slow between shots ...... INADEQUATE PROCESSOR POWER.... It afflicts M, T and X. Firmware revision will make only a slight difference to this. They need to steal Sonys Bionx or Nikons Exspeed processors ...... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted September 14, 2014 Share #14 Posted September 14, 2014 ...Thanks WDA to have brough attention on this problem to Mr Admin (Andreas Jürgensen).. If other X Vario owners share the views expressed on lack of firmware update, it might help if you added to my post on this parallel thread which deals with the T. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-t/345877-beta-testers-wanted-new-leica-t.html 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted September 14, 2014 Share #15 Posted September 14, 2014 If two new X-series cameras are about to be introduced, presumably they will take the new EVF, and perhaps the X-Vario firmware will be updated at the same time. And maybe the update will make the new EVF usable on the X-Vario as well? This would explain the delay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltraumpräsident Posted September 14, 2014 Share #16 Posted September 14, 2014 If two new X-series cameras are about to be introduced, presumably they will take the new EVF, and perhaps the X-Vario firmware will be updated at the same time. And maybe the update will make the new EVF usable on the X-Vario as well? This would explain the delay. Many perhaps and maybe. Maybe the T EVF fits on the new X's and Fw will neuer come... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XVarior Posted September 15, 2014 Share #17 Posted September 15, 2014 I smell an update coming around FOTOKINA... Stay tuned;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papimuzo Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted September 15, 2014 wda: done... XVarior: if Leica-God at last is hearing you... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XVarior Posted September 15, 2014 Share #19 Posted September 15, 2014 wda: done...XVarior: if Leica-God at last is hearing you... he did, Leica just posted a firmware update on it's site. Unfortunately, my Mac is unable to open the file, it seems it's PC type of file ! Downloads // Leica X Vario // Leica X // Photography - Leica Camera AG Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papimuzo Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share #20 Posted September 15, 2014 Cann't verify (I'm travelling for one month without XV); but loaded the file and curiously the revision date mentionned says 26/02/2014??? Ready since February??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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