bobbywise Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry for the stupid question. If I set exposure compensation on the M9 and MM, is it only applied in aperture priority mode and ignored in manual mode. Or will it also impact the meter reading when in manual mode (i.e. provide meter reading feedback with the selected exposure compensation that I selected) ? Thanks ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted January 19, 2015 Share #2 Posted January 19, 2015 Manual is manual. If you really want to be confused, though, read through this old thread. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbywise Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted January 19, 2015 Thanks Jeff, I suspected manual is manual (i.e. No exposure compensation). I just wanted to be sure because the user guides did not state when exposure compensation would apply (although in the classic sense, it's obvious it's only for aperture priority mode). The reason I asked the question was because (although my fuji-X gear works this in the classic, expected way) my Sony A7 and applies exposure compensation in manual mode Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted January 21, 2015 Share #4 Posted January 21, 2015 Well, manual is manual, we are all agreed. But does exposure comp. adjust the light meter reading you still would use with manual operation, i.e. so that it reads in a different range, adjusted for the compensation requested? I will need to check when I get home tonight! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 21, 2015 Share #5 Posted January 21, 2015 Repeat…manual is manual. Exposure comp is an auto setting. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 22, 2015 Share #6 Posted January 22, 2015 I don't know about the M9 or the MM as I only have an M. With the M, the value set by the exposure compensation will affect the light metering. Hence, if you set the compensation for an underexposure of -1EV and expose according to the internal light meter, your picture will be underexposed by -1EV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 22, 2015 Share #7 Posted January 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Repeat…manual is manual. Exposure comp is an auto setting. Jeff True, but in manual, any exposure compensation applied in Auto is carried over. I just tried it. Exposing a relatively uniform subject (grass in shade), the meter reading in Auto is ISO 160, f/2 @ 1/60. Rotating the thumb dial, -0.7 the shutter speed changes to 1/90, and the little dot appears, over the shutter speed to show I've applied exposure compensation. Switch the shutter speed dial off A to 90, and the red dot appears at the bottom to show correct exposure. No indication that I have applied exposure compensation. If I change the shutter to 1/60, the arrow appears, suggesting I am over exposing. Rotate the thumb dial, and it shows that I still have -0.7 compensation applied. Short answer, EV compensation will still affect your meter readings in manual mode. Unlike in Auto there is no indication through the view finder that exposure compensation is applied. Hope this helps. John 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted January 22, 2015 Share #8 Posted January 22, 2015 I believe the question is, when using Manual, if the lights that show up in the viewfinder take into account the compensation that is set or not. It's a good question and I don't know the answer, I'll have to check how my camera behaves. But I suspect the camera ignores the compensation in full manual mode and the lights in the viewfinder will meter for a 0 value in compensation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 22, 2015 Share #9 Posted January 22, 2015 I believe the question is, when using Manual, if the lights that show up in the viewfinder take into account the compensation that is set or not. It's a good question and I don't know the answer, I'll have to check how my camera behaves. But I suspect the camera ignores the compensation in full manual mode and the lights in the viewfinder will meter for a 0 value in compensation. I think that is what I just established - in manual, the exposure compensation still applies to the meter reading on both my M9 and Monochrom. I'd be intrigued if you get a different response. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted January 22, 2015 Share #10 Posted January 22, 2015 I think that is what I just established - in manual, the exposure compensation still applies to the meter reading on both my M9 and Monochrom. I'd be intrigued if you get a different response. I just tested on my M9 and you are right, in manual mode (manual aperture and manual speed set), the arrows and dot on the viewfinder DO TAKE into account the exposure compensation that is set, meaning they will point to whatever measurement the lightmeter reads including the compensation value. Of course the compensation value doesn't affect the exposure itself, because it is manually locked, only the indicators in the viewfinder. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 22, 2015 Share #11 Posted January 22, 2015 Of course the compensation value doesn't affect the exposure itself, because it is manually locked, only the indicators in the viewfinder. Exactly….manual is manual. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 22, 2015 Share #12 Posted January 22, 2015 Yep - as Steve says, whatever you set is what you take, but meter adjustments will affect you reading. I assume the M is the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 22, 2015 Share #13 Posted January 22, 2015 True, but in manual, any exposure compensation applied in Auto is carried over. I just tried it. I bet you didn't take a pic. The exposure is not affected by the EV compensation despite the info appearing in the VF. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 22, 2015 Share #14 Posted January 22, 2015 With the M, the value set by the exposure compensation will affect the light metering. Hence, if you set the compensation for an underexposure of -1EV and expose according to the internal light meter, your picture will be underexposed by -1EV. Wrong…when in manual mode. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 22, 2015 Share #15 Posted January 22, 2015 Wrong…when in manual mode. Jeff Hi Jeff, Can you explain this, please? If you adjust the exposure compensation, -1.0, and you expose in manual according to the meter, then your exposed image will be exposed according to the meter, -1.0. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, Pop is right. I've just tried it. Switching from Auto to manual means that you're choosing the exposure, but if you follow the meter, and you have adjusted the meter using EC, your manually exposed image will still be underexposed. Cheers John Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 23, 2015 Share #16 Posted January 23, 2015 Wrong…when in manual mode. Jeff I suggest you take an M (or an M9, for that matter) and check the readings of the internal light meter at various settings of the exposure compensation dial, as I did. I presumed that the behavior of the M (Typ 240) was the same as that of the M9 with respect to this because otherwise there would have been a hue and cry about the wanton change of a perfectly working function. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 23, 2015 Share #17 Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) I bet you didn't take a pic. The exposure is not affected by the EV compensation despite the info appearing in the VF. Jeff Of course it isn't - the exposure is what you set. We're discussing whether the meter changes with EV adjustment in manual mode - it does. The exposure is what you set it at - if you follow the meter, it will reflect any EV adjustment you've made to the meter. Put another way, if I use an external meter, and make an EV adjustment to the meter reading (I know that sounds silly), and I then enter the adjusted exposure reading into my M9, it will be under or over-exposed compared to what the meter would have told me (had I not adjusted it). The M9 meter works exactly the same way. When in manual mode, the meter reading will be adjusted by any EC setting. What you expose is up to you. Edited January 23, 2015 by IkarusJohn Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 23, 2015 Share #18 Posted January 23, 2015 I suggest you take an M (or an M9, for that matter) and check the readings of the internal light meter at various settings of the exposure compensation dial, as I did. I already did. The disagreement results from the fact that I wasn't adjusting the exposure per the meter reading (which changes as you note); rather I was addressing the notion I thought expressed by others that an EV comp setting automatically changes the manually set exposure. It doesn't….hence my comment that manual is manual. Of course if one changes that manual setting (which I now understand you to mean), then of course the exposure is adjusted accordingly. Sorry that I didn't read your comment carefully enough. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 23, 2015 Share #19 Posted January 23, 2015 Hi Jeff, Can you explain this, please? If you adjust the exposure compensation, -1.0, and you expose in manual according to the meter, then your exposed image will be exposed according to the meter, -1.0. Same comment as to Pop above. I often don't use the meter reading, especially under known lighting conditions….thus I jumped to the conclusion that you and others were suggesting that the EV comp setting overrode the manual setting. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 23, 2015 Share #20 Posted January 23, 2015 Hard to imagine how that could work - it would be terribly confusing ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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