jeffu Posted July 8, 2013 Share #1 Posted July 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has there been a recent price drop for the MM? I notice a used mint one for sale at popflas for less than they had one in the same condition two weeks ago. Also a friend said a dealer had a new one in the low $7k range? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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macjonny1 Posted July 8, 2013 Share #2 Posted July 8, 2013 Has there been a recent price drop for the MM? I notice a used mint one for sale at popflas for less than they had one in the same condition two weeks ago. Also a friend said a dealer had a new one in the low $7k range? This is likely an open box or marked "used" if it is closer to $7k. I got one for $7100 that way but will have 1 year warranty. Wasn't used at all by the way in actuality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 8, 2013 Share #3 Posted July 8, 2013 The price in the UK has gone down from £6100 to £5900. Normal for any Leica that has been on the market for a few months. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted July 9, 2013 Share #4 Posted July 9, 2013 In Hong Kong you can buy the Monochrom brand new with International warranty (ie gray market) for 53000 HKD. These are sold by authorized Leica dealers like Tin Cheung but come from other dealers in Europe as opposed to the local distributor Schmidt Marketing. 53000 HKD is about $6850 USD (more than $1000 less than MSRP) or 4600 GBP. New lenses are also being sold at substantial discounts as dealers unload inventory. New Noctilux lenses are going for 70000 HKD, or just over $9000 USD. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted July 9, 2013 Share #5 Posted July 9, 2013 In Hong Kong you can buy the Monochrom brand new with International warranty (ie gray market) for 53000 HKD. These are sold by authorized Leica dealers like Tin Cheung but come from other dealers in Europe as opposed to the local distributor Schmidt Marketing. 53000 HKD is about $6850 USD (more than $1000 less than MSRP) or 4600 GBP. New lenses are also being sold at substantial discounts as dealers unload inventory. New Noctilux lenses are going for 70000 HKD, or just over $9000 USD. Wow thats awesome, why is the M so expensive there though? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted July 9, 2013 Share #6 Posted July 9, 2013 Wow thats awesome, why is the M so expensive there though? Supply and demand. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwans Posted July 9, 2013 Share #7 Posted July 9, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) In Hong Kong you can buy the Monochrom brand new with International warranty (ie gray market) for 53000 HKD. These are sold by authorized Leica dealers like Tin Cheung but come from other dealers in Europe as opposed to the local distributor Schmidt Marketing. 53000 HKD is about $6850 USD (more than $1000 less than MSRP) or 4600 GBP. New lenses are also being sold at substantial discounts as dealers unload inventory. New Noctilux lenses are going for 70000 HKD, or just over $9000 USD. Stephen, I am looking for new Noct and will be in HK on Dec. Could you advise me which trusted store in HK that will not take advantage on tourist looking for a Leica ? I am only hear horror stories about buying Leica in HK from tourist perspective. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRabern Posted July 11, 2013 Share #8 Posted July 11, 2013 Has there been a recent price drop for the MM? I notice a used mint one for sale at popflas for less than they had one in the same condition two weeks ago. Also a friend said a dealer had a new one in the low $7k range? I think you may have meant PopFlash, Tony and Alex are super and are very supportive. I have always known t there prices to be competitive. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted July 12, 2013 Share #9 Posted July 12, 2013 Stephen, I am looking for new Noct and will be in HK on Dec. Could you advise me which trusted store in HK that will not take advantage on tourist looking for a Leica ? I am only hear horror stories about buying Leica in HK from tourist perspective. Thanks. Send me a PM closer to the date and I will be happy to help you out, and we can also do a little shooting! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted July 15, 2013 Share #10 Posted July 15, 2013 Could you advise me which trusted store in HK that will not take advantage on tourist looking for a Leica... I was based in HK for a number of years but, whenever I could, I bought photo gear in Europe or the US because the level of service and backup was so much better. Canon was the only equipment I always bought locally and that was solely because the local CPS operation would only fast track officially imported gear. Tin Cheung can be very good or very bad depending on who serves you and Man Shing/Wing Shing offer relatively painless transactions, but you really need to be saving an awful lot of money to make the idiosyncrasies of buying in HK viable. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talat Posted November 23, 2013 Share #11 Posted November 23, 2013 Hello All...I think it's high time for my 1st post I've been reading and lurking in the background on this fantastic forum for a while now. The wealth of posts helped me make my mind up to purchase an M9 and 50 Lux ASPH earlier this year, to which I added 28 Cron a few months later. I didn't need to ask any questions as most had already been asked and addressed, so I just needed to wade through all the posts.Thank you all. I'll also admit that I've been bitten badly by the Leica bug, as a few months ago I also acquired an immaculate 1962 Leica M3 SS, sn over 1million with a classic 1966 50 cron. I thought posting in here would be appropriate, initially because I wanted to revive this thread regards the Monochrom price in the UK. I've noticed that a few dealers have now reduced the Monochrom price to £4999. I have been contemplating buying a M240 or a Monochrom, but was recently put off the purchase of the M240(for now at least) that I was kindly given to test drive on 2 separate weekends by David of Stephens in Manchester. The WB behaved very badly whilst I was testing it under fluorescent lights. The EVF was attached at the time and it sent the WB haywire, by throwing yellow banding across the image. This happened on every shot whilst the EVF was attached, AUTO WB was the best result as it pushed the cast way up out of the top of the image but was still noticeable, I thought that going through the WB presets may remove the cast but they all gave the same results. I then used a grey card to obtain the correct WB, still the band of yellow was there. I then removed the EVF and WB using the grey card hey presto perfect WB!!! Such a shame, as I love the feel of the M240 in every way, and have to concur with all the positive comments made in all the blogs/forums/reviews. The image is different in look to the M9 and I found I didn't dislike it. My original thinking was to sell the M9 and buy the up to date and more 'modern' M240 and later also by an MM for it's purity and hi iso performance, but the WB on the M240 has put me off for now. I only noticed the price drop on the MM last night, which is making me rethink getting rid of the M9, as I absolutely love the images out of the M9, and deep down I feel it would make a better partner to the MM somehow. I'd like to hear other peoples constructive views. I am in no way a seasoned Leica user, having used slr/dslr for the last 30 years, but I do love the M system as it has allowed me to really enjoy my photography once again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 23, 2013 Share #12 Posted November 23, 2013 Welcome to the forum Talat. The M9, 1.4/50 Summilux ASPH and 2.0/28 Summicron ASPH is a fantastic combination (my favourite two lenses and focal lengths). These lenses are spectacular on all of the digital M cameras. I have the M9, M240, and and Monochrom. Personally I like the M240 files over those of the M9 but they took a little getting used to. My view is that the very detailed M240 files seem somewhat flat out of camera, similar to those of the Monochrom, which is exactly what one would want for of a detailed DNG file from a sensor with a higher dynamic range (than the M9). This makes them far more malleable. I prefer their more neutral look over the 'Koadchromish' (excuse the neologism) look of the M9 files (which I always toned down a bit). The more I use the M240 the more I prefer it to the M9, but it has by no means replaced the Monochrom. Though if you are only going to get one camera a now, and you're not enamoured wiht the M240 files than get a Monochrom and consider a M240 later. However, as I mainly shoot for B&W, once I had bought the Monochrom (before I got the M240) I rarely used the M9. This 'flatness' of the files, and the lack of three channels to work on, was a complaint of many early adopters of the Monochrom, but this issue never gets posted any more as people have worked out how the process the Monochrom files to their own taste. At a minimum, a quick small contrast curve and some increased microcontrast using just a touch of sharpening transforms Monochrom and M240 files even if you don't want to do a major makeover in PS. I also always add a bit of 'grain' (Gausian noise in PS or film emulation in SFX or equivalent) to give all my files a bit more 'depth' and less of that shot-on-video-look to the final prints. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted November 23, 2013 Share #13 Posted November 23, 2013 Welcome to the forum Talat and Leica photography. I have a feeling that prices of new cameras are easing slightly. This might be the result of increasing competition from cameras perceived by some as strong competitors. And it might be the result of improved production and higher global stock levels. One UK dealer is offering a new M240 plus £400 off a new Leica lens if bought at the same time. That is significant if the lens is a Summarit; less so but still welcome at the upper price levels. Also the X Vario and D-Lux 6 cameras have been reduced by dealers, possibly stimulating sales before the year end. I came near to buying an M240 but was reluctant to part with my M9 which is a super camera for me. The upgrade would mainly have been for the live-view feature. I might get an X Vario to meet that need which would work well with my M9; give me more flexibility and versatility. When the new Leica factory is in full production, we might well see a further easing on new prices if supply continues to exceed demand, more so for cameras which suffer short production runs before their successors appear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talat Posted November 23, 2013 Share #14 Posted November 23, 2013 Welcome to the forum Talat. The M9, 1.4/50 Summilux ASPH and 2.0/28 Summicron ASPH is a fantastic combination (my favourite two lenses and focal lengths). These lenses are spectacular on all of the digital M cameras. I have the M9, M240, and and Monochrom. Personally I like the M240 files over those of the M9 but they took a little getting used to. My view is that the very detailed M240 files seem somewhat flat out of camera, similar to those of the Monochrom, which is exactly what one would want for of a detailed DNG file from a sensor with a higher dynamic range (than the M9). This makes them far more malleable. I prefer their more neutral look over the 'Koadchromish' (excuse the neologism) look of the M9 files (which I always toned down a bit). The more I use the M240 the more I prefer it to the M9, but it has by no means replaced the Monochrom. Though if you are only going to get one camera a now, and you're not enamoured wiht the M240 files than get a Monochrom and consider a M240 later. However, as I mainly shoot for B&W, once I had bought the Monochrom (before I got the M240) I rarely used the M9. This 'flatness' of the files, and the lack of three channels to work on, was a complaint of many early adopters of the Monochrom, but this issue never gets posted any more as people have worked out how the process the Monochrom files to their own taste. At a minimum, a quick small contrast curve and some increased microcontrast using just a touch of sharpening transforms Monochrom and M240 files even if you don't want to do a major makeover in PS. I also always add a bit of 'grain' (Gausian noise in PS or film emulation in SFX or equivalent) to give all my files a bit more 'depth' and less of that shot-on-video-look to the final prints. Thanks for the welcome Mark..I'm not put off by the M240 files, I actually quite liked them, and I was all set to sell theM9 and buy the M240, it was the WB playing up that has currently put me off. I thought the smoothness of the M240 files reminded me of Canikon files, albeit they had the Leica look partly due to the lenses and the Leica sensor. I agree they needed working on and had a look I liked after post processing, but I'm not prepared to put £5k down on a camera which clearly has issues with WB, even after the recent firmware which was meant to address WB. I'm going to be emailing the files to Leica AG in the morning and see if they can shed some light. In your opinion would you say the MM files are closer in look to the M9 or M240? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted November 23, 2013 Share #15 Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) Welcome to the forum, Talat! I do have both the Monochrom and the M(240). Before that I had the M9. I sold it for financing the MM, and because I already had the M(240). If I would have tasted (sic :-) ) the MM poison before, now I think that perhaps I wouldn't have bought the M(240), even as it is a wonderful camera. I am absolutely enthusiastic with the Monochrom. It's unbelievable what can be made with it. The MM opens a whole new perspective. What Leitz did in the 20's when it released the Leica has been repeated now with the MM: it opens a new field, with fascinating possibilities. Therefore we have to experiment with this new instrument, because yet we really don't know the limits of it ! Bottom line: keep the M9, and buy the MM if B/W really matters to you. Don't be fooled: the MM is a large format B/W camera, despite it's size. But thanks to it, at the same time you can work everywhere! [i do live from photography, since 1979. My work was 'till the advent of digital 95% B/W, in medium format, 4x5 and 8x10. Between 1981 and 1984 I even printed on platinum...] Edited November 23, 2013 by Manolo Laguillo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 23, 2013 Share #16 Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) Thanks for the welcome Mark..I'm not put off by the M240 files, I actually quite liked them, and I was all set to sell theM9 and buy the M240, it was the WB playing up that has currently put me off. I thought the smoothness of the M240 files reminded me of Canikon files, albeit they had the Leica look partly due to the lenses and the Leica sensor. I agree they needed working on and had a look I liked after post processing, but I'm not prepared to put £5k down on a camera which clearly has issues with WB, even after the recent firmware which was meant to address WB. I'm going to be emailing the files to Leica AG in the morning and see if they can shed some light. In your opinion would you say the MM files are closer in look to the M9 or M240? Neither! They are unique. The Monochrom is different to both of these in three main ways: tonal range, low light performance, and especially file structure which is very filmic in quality (looks more like a well scanned high quality medium format B&W negative. regarding the 'plasticy' look to the M240 files that you describe I don't see them that way. I wonder whether that is simply a function of the higher dynamic range, better resolution and detail available in these files. Again, as with the Monochrom files, one can add a bit of microcontrast and grain/noise which will get the them closer to that 'organic M9' look. Buy the Monochrom . Edited November 23, 2013 by MarkP 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted November 23, 2013 Share #17 Posted November 23, 2013 Neither! They are unique. The Monochrom is different to both of these in three main ways: tonal range, low light performance, and especially file structure which is very filmic in quality (looks more like a well scanned high quality medium format B&W negative. regarding the 'plasticy' look to the M240 files that you describe I don't see them that way. I wonder whether that is simply a function of the higher dynamic range, better resolution and detail available in these files. Again, as with the Monochrom files, one can add a bit of microcontrast and grain/noise which will get the them closer to that 'organic M9' look. Buy the Monochrom . may I correct you, Mark? I'd rather say large format B/W negative Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 24, 2013 Share #18 Posted November 24, 2013 may I correct you, Mark? I'd rather say large format B/W negative As I have no experience with large format I humbly defer to your greater experience . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted November 24, 2013 Share #19 Posted November 24, 2013 Welcome to the forum, Talat! If I would have tasted (sic :-) ) the MM poison before, now I think that perhaps I wouldn't have bought the M(240), even as it is a wonderful camera. I am absolutely enthusiastic with the Monochrom. It's unbelievable what can be made with it. The MM opens a whole new perspective. What Leitz did in the 20's when it released the Leica has been repeated now with the MM: it opens a new field, with fascinating possibilities. Therefore we have to experiment with this new instrument, because yet we really don't know the limits of it ! Bottom line: keep the M9, and buy the MM if B/W really matters to you. +1 . And welcome! I am as yet a novice with the MM, and I also have an M240, bought first (and funded by sale of an M9-P). My problem these days is that every time I go for a shoot, I reach for the MM, even though I have, for example, the option of using the EVF functionality with the M. My MM has become the love of my photographic life. A deeply intriguing and satisfying seductress of a camera, whose charms just keep coming. As regards the OP, in the UK some dealers are now down to £4990 but when asked they do not seem to have the camera in stock.... My advice is to jump in. You won't regret it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted November 24, 2013 Share #20 Posted November 24, 2013 Hello.I thought posting in here would be appropriate, initially because I wanted to revive this thread regards the Monochrom price in the UK. I've noticed that a few dealers have now reduced the Monochrom price to £4999. Can you point us in that direction. I'm seeing £5,900+ only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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