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Old 21.11.2008, 02:13   #21 (permalink)
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Could anyone who thinks they have a recent new sensor check for the half frame green streak problem, the streak caused by bright light sources just outside or on the edge of the frame. The position of the light source is very critical and it's not always easy to get the sensor to show the problem. I've had a few stage photographs ruined by this and I'm interested to know if Kodak have managed to fix it.

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Yes That is a good idea. But I can SEE IR/UV cut filter infront of CCD clearly now. Its Green!
Before it was more like brown/gray/dark colour. But I hope this would not affect shrapness of picture and affect using IR filter.

I loved old sensor. It was producing super sharp images!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 21.11.2008, 02:14   #22 (permalink)
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Congratulations! You are one of a handful people who have received the new sensor being secretly test marketed by Leica. You will notice the new sensor performs flawlessly at ISO 2500, has perfect color balance, and you don't need the filters any more. It is also self-cleaning and will produce outstanding blow-ups of 120 x 160 inches.

The only catch is that you weren't supposed to tell anyone. Now that you have leaked it, you will need to send your camera back to Leica to have the original sensor put back in.
Yes please I love original CCD. It was sharp! But now It look bit dull.
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Yes That is a good idea. But I can SEE IR/UV cut filter infront of CCD clearly now. Its Green!
The sensor on my M8 is green, and that camera's almost two years old.

Honestly, if Leica had managed to solve the IR issue do you not think they might have mentioned it? And if they had fixed the problem, why do they still supply 2 new IR cut filters to buyers of new cameras?
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Old 21.11.2008, 10:32   #25 (permalink)
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Do we think there should be a ban on this forum (in addition to ALL CAPS POSTS) on repeated question and exclamation marks???????????????????????

I think there should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only repeated punctuation which I think is valid is the ellipsis...

I'm sure Bill has an opinion...
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I think there should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 21.11.2008, 16:59   #27 (permalink)
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Yes That is a good idea. But I can SEE IR/UV cut filter infront of CCD clearly now. Its Green!
Before it was more like brown/gray/dark colour. But I hope this would not affect shrapness of picture and affect using IR filter.

I loved old sensor. It was producing super sharp images!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did Oriflame change color of the lipstick? Oh dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 21.11.2008, 17:09   #28 (permalink)
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Yes That is a good idea. But I can SEE IR/UV cut filter infront of CCD clearly now. Its Green!
Before it was more like brown/gray/dark colour. But I hope this would not affect shrapness of picture and affect using IR filter.

I loved old sensor. It was producing super sharp images!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ummm.. The sensor on my over-two-year old M8 is green. Did you spill coffee on the old one? Or use Eclipse past its sell-by date?
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Old 21.11.2008, 17:58   #29 (permalink)
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The sensor on my over-two-year old M8 is green.
Caparobertsan, my sensor was green and after a swap three weeks ago is still green.
I had a look just now - especially for you - at the sensor: green.
Took a picture without filter of some very black, very synthetic material, wow: purple. With filter: OK, black.

Are you sure you took your filter off the lens when you made your test picture?

And then, on another note, why do you ask us, when we cannot have a look at your sensor with you?
Plus, when you seem not to be willing to be convinced by what we say anyway
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Old 21.11.2008, 18:06   #30 (permalink)
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Well I have a new sensor back from Germany and visually it looks identical to the one in my other camera. Same shinyness, same colour, same bits around the edges and looks the same size so no secret upgrade to FF either.

I could not get either camera to give me the green horizontal streak from a light source on a vertical edge. I noticed that when the camera applies its lens correction, (you see that happen on the LCD a couple of seconds after the initial display) the edges displayed shrink slightly, so the light source, if carefully positioned on the very edge, disappears.

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Caparobertsan, my sensor was green and after a swap three weeks ago is still green.
I had a look just now - especially for you - at the sensor: green.
Took a picture without filter of some very black, very synthetic material, wow: purple. With filter: OK, black.

Are you sure you took your filter off the lens when you made your test picture?

And then, on another note, why do you ask us, when we cannot have a look at your sensor with you?
Plus, when you seem not to be willing to be convinced by what we say anyway
Thank you for letting me know. I guess I am little bit paranoid about whole Leica company.
I will go out start taking photos when rain stop tomorrow.
Thanks all!
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Old 22.11.2008, 11:06   #32 (permalink)
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I will go out start taking photos when rain stop tomorrow.
A wise man!

I will do the same now, after the snow here.
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Why not post the test image?
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Maybe they changed the sensor for a Nikon D3 sensor - I just checked and it's green too.

Btw, am I the only one who'd be really, really, really, REALLY annoyed if I'd sent my M8 to Leica to have it's rangefinder adjusted and it took 3 months? That would have to be a very impressively accurate rangefinder adjustment by the time it came back ...
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That would have to be a very impressively accurate rangefinder adjustment by the time it came back ...
But you know full well that it couldn't be, wouldn't be.
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My original chrome M8 had a green looking sensor. That unit was replaced by Leica NJ and the sensor on the replacement looks more blueish. My original black M8 had what looked like the same blueish color sensor as the chrome.. The original black M8 was replaced in September of this year and it had the same blueish sensor but also had a line in the image at all ISO's, aothough not to noticeable at 320 and 160.
The sensor was replaced on the replacement black M8 and that sensor looks green like my original chrome M8.

I think it is all dependant on the light you are in and how that light hits the sensor.
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It most certainly is ...
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Btw, am I the only one who'd be really, really, really, REALLY annoyed if I'd sent my M8 to Leica to have it's rangefinder adjusted and it took 3 months?
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The silicon sensor surface is covered with a thin layer of silicon dioxide and nitride passivation. The color you see is a combination of the weak IR filter glass and apparent oxide color due to interference of reflections from the oxide surfaces. There is usually sufficient slice to slice or batch variations in oxide thickness to give some variation in the color you see.

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Is the new sensor full frame by any chance?

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