Interesting click

[jaapv]

Tmfabian on RFF has put a separate M8 click, without the winder, online, preceded by the M7. The M8 shutter is actually 0.2 Db more silent than the M7. So it would really help to have a "delayed rewind" option. Technically it should not be a problem to do this imo, holding the shutterbutton and releasing to trigger the rewind in "S" mode would be a nice feature. Disclosure - in general,I do not think the M8 loud, as my cameras are well run in (which makes the shutter and winder a lot more silent) and have leather which dampens again.

zSHARE - m7thenm8.wav

[plasticman]

Originally Posted by jaapv

Tmfabian on RFF has put a separate M8 click, without the winder, online, preceded by the M7. The M8 shutter is actually 0.2 Db more silent than the M7. So it would really help to have a "delayed rewind" option. Technically it should not be a problem to do this imo, holding the shutterbutton and releasing to trigger the rewind in "S" mode would be a nice feature. Disclosure - in general,I do not think the M8 loud, as my cameras are well run in (which makes the shutter and winder a lot more silent) and have leather which dampens again.

zSHARE - m7thenm8.wav

I listened to the file with Sennheisser headphones, and then quickly picked up my M7 (which luckily or unluckily has no film in it at the moment) and placed it directly beside my ear. My M7 sounds nothing whatsoever like the sound in the wav file.

The M7 that I have makes a very, very gentle 'thlock' sound at 250.

I'm not gonna go as far as to say this test is a fake - but I will say that this isn't anything at all like the M7 sound that I'm familiar with.

Mani

[pascal_meheut]

Same for me using Sennheisser headphones with active noise reduction. My M7 noise is louder. Maybe this is due to the way he recorded the sound, maybe holding the M7 in our hands changes the sound...

[plasticman]

That's extraordinary Pascal! My M7 is much, much quieter - or at least, because it isn't a 'thwack' sound as in this recording, but rather a much gentler 'thlock' sound - I definitely perceive it as much quieter.

Two possible explanations -
one: that bodies and shutters vary a great deal more than I thought;
two: the circumstances of the recording or recording environment makes the M7 sound very
different to how I perceive mine.

I must confess, my first gut-response was that this recording was faked - the sound is so much louder and so far from the tone and character of the shutter in my camera - but a quick look at posts from the guy who made it convinced me that it must be in good faith.

Incidentally, I've mostly used the M6 - so my M7 hasn't had more than 5 or 6 rolls of film through it. If the shutter sound becomes even quieter with time, then I expect it to create a sound-vacuum when I click it in ten year's time.

Very strange.

[stunsworth]

Depends on recording technique surely? How far was the mike from the camera? What sort of frequency response did the mike have? Was it an omni or cardoid? How were the recording levels set? What is the replay level? What's the frequency resonse of the replay equipment? All of these are going to have an influence on how 'loud' the sounds are when replayed.

Providing the same set up is used when recording the two cameras you can get some insight into the relative loudness of the two of them, but I can't see how you can then use that recording and then compare it to a third camera that you own.

[plasticman]

Steve - it wasn't really the 'loudness' in itself that I was questioning - it was the entire character of the sound. My M7 does not sound in any way similar to the recorded sound.

As I said, the camera I have here makes a really gentle 'thlock' type of sound - very low tone, very quiet when held directly against my ear. I do think the perceptual 'loudness' of a sound can nevertheless be stated - even independently of how a sound is recorded or played-back.

Anyway, I'm sorry - I won't pursue this, it seems difficult to make any statement without feeling one is being jumped on or taught some kind of lesson here, these days.
All I meant was that - having listened carefully to the recorded sounds - my M7 has a totally different sound, the character of which I would say was 'much softer'.

Mani

[stunsworth]

Cheap recording and replay equipment typically has an emphasis in the mid range and is lacking at either end of the frequency range. This emphasis of the mid range can change the character of what is being recorded dramatically. It can make things sound a lot brighter than they really are for example.

The point I was trying to make is that this could explain why the recorded sound you here sounds different to what the original did in real like, and why it could sound different to your M7.

[ammitsboel]

Originally Posted by stunsworth

...but I can't see how you can then use that recording and then compare it to a third camera that you own.

You can only detect the perceiveable "loudness" and intesity of each sound isolated from the other. To me both sounds are anoying, like he/she used a cheap electret condenser mike and placed it up agains the metal of the camera body.

The M8 is the upgraded one isn't? I have more "clunk" in mine. It's clear to me that the M8 has something that sounds like a resonace chamber compared to the film M's.

[rob_x2004]

Recording, and playback, and, I jsut got my MP back from Solms and it sounds different to before. Is the M8 that loud you really have to worry?

[plasticman]

Rob - why is it that exchanges here sometimes make me think of this?

[innerimager]

my M7 is the quietest shutter I've used by a wide margin.

[Shootist]

Originally Posted by innerimager

my M7 is the quietest shutter I've used by a wide margin.

Quieter then a M3? I've never even handled a M7 but have had many M3's and a M6 and as most know you can barely hear the shutters on both.

[plasticman]

Originally Posted by Shootist

Quieter then a M3? I've never even handled a M7 but have had many M3's and a M6 and as most know you can barely hear the shutters on both.

I have both the M6 and M7 - the M7 is quieter by a large margin.

PS: I've had people ask me if I'm going to take a picture with the M7 after I've already shot 2 or 3.

[ChrisC]

I'd love to join in but I don't have an M7. My knees, however, do make a THwwww3icck sound on a bad day, and my back elicits an ooooooww sound from me when bending. Does any of this count?

Maybe I'll wait for the next my M8 is noisier than yours thread and join that.

You wish I would? OK, I'll do that then.

........... Chris

[rob_x2004]

Mani, the next page was better.

..... new-1.jpg

[rob_x2004]

Actually Mani it wont take much to spill Steves coffee.

[plasticman]

Originally Posted by rob_x2004

Actually Mani it wont take much to spill Steves coffee.

They're addictive, aren't they?

[jimmy pro]

Originally Posted by jaapv

So it would really help to have a "delayed rewind" option. Technically it should not be a problem to do this imo, holding the shutterbutton and releasing to trigger the rewind in "S" mode would be a nice feature.

Yeah but nobody'd pay a grand for that. Well, maybe a few guy's

Disclosure - in general,I do not think the M8 loud,

Me to. But the click alone I can easily cover up with a quick throat clearing. The click plus the motor wind, I'd have to basicly hock a loogy.

[jaapv]

Some more sounds posted:

Some tasty little extras with your Leica upgrade! - Page 4 - Rangefinderforum.com

In this version the M7 sounds a lot like my M3.

[jaapv]

Originally Posted by jimmy pro

Me to. But the click alone I can easily cover up with a quick throat clearing. The click plus the motor wind, I'd have to basicly hock a loogy.

LOL