Envy, misunderstood

[andybarton]

Originally Posted by offshore

I'm not sure how this forum works but the photo.net Leica user forum is open to anyone who wants to sign up, Leica user or not. That forum regularly turns into a free for all due to the fact that so many Leica haters, wanna be's and just plain pissed off people frequent it to spew their vitriol on anyone who posts anything about Leica and in particular the M8. If this forum is the same, and I have to say after reading some of the posts regarding the M8 here, it appears that may be the case and might explain some of it.

This forum is open to all and we try to moderate with a light touch. If anyone sees a post that they think steps over that "virtual line", feel free to use the warning triangle on the left and report it.

There is a list of "problem" posters here and a sandbox when problem posts get saved. We also have a yellow and red card system that gets used very seldom because it doesn't need to.

Even speaking as a Mod, I am pretty sure that we have just about got it right here. Let me know via PM if you disagree

[ennjott]

Originally Posted by offshore

I'm not sure how this forum works but the photo.net Leica user forum is open to anyone who wants to sign up, Leica user or not.

So what? I don't own a Leica. My rangefinders are two Minolta 7SIIs and a Konica Auto S2.
Do you think I should keep away from the discussions here because of that?

I've considered getting an M8 but decided against it, we'll see what the future will bring.

[jlancasterd]

Originally Posted by ennjott

So what? I don't own a Leica. My rangefinders are two Minolta 7SIIs and a Konica Auto S2.
Do you think I should keep away from the discussions here because of that?

I've considered getting an M8 but decided against it, we'll see what the future will bring.

Of course not - like any good evangelical organisation we welcome those who are susceptible to conversion to the true faith...

[Thomas Edwards]

The easy solution for getting rid of the people who come to this forum for the purpose of arguing and bickering is to completely ignore them. If we all did this routinely, they would go away and stay away. Just don't take the bait. I know that's hard to do and I rarely take my own advice on this. But rest assurred if these antogonists are routinely ignored, they will disappear.[/quote]

...precisely...just focus on whatever content interests you and move on...i notice the antagonists frequent the digital section in general and the m8 section in particular...guess they really have nothing to say in the film and photo forums, the latter being the ultimate "proof of the pudding" as they say...

[stnami]

misunderstood

. yea exactly!! .. this is how I feel on this forum .. .............. superb shot

[sean_reid]

Originally Posted by tbarker13

I don't think it has much to do with envy or anything like that. Oh sure, there could be a small element of that. But I think you would be hard-pressed to find an active and popular forum anywhere on the Internet that doesn't have the same sort of negativity.
It just goes hand in hand with Internet forums. Cloaked by anonymity, too many people enjoy being able to say exactly what's on their mind. They say things and strike a tone here that the would never use if you were sitting in the same room with them.
In my real life, I write about technology and they way it impacts society. I wrote a story a few months ago where I looked at a wide range of message boards. It was the same story everywhere. Car sites. An infertility site. Gaming sites. A fan site for a college football team. Each one had its own experiences with this sort of boorish behavior.

I agree entirely. I think of two places in which many childish people act as they wish - Internet forums and in their cars.

Cheers,

Sean

[don_panko]

This is the nature of forums focused on new products. There is always some disapointment that gets voiced over and over again until there is panic and mob rule. I purchased a motorcycle 10 years ago that had some warranty repair issues that the manufacturer fixed. For a time the forum went over the deep end with litigatoin threats so I stopped attending for a few years to enjoy my bike. Once the warranty period ended and the bike was discontinued the tone of the forum also changed. Now the participants help each other to fix problems because they love the bike while the instigators of dissent have moved on the other new products. Probably to the M8.

It's just the way that forums mature with time.

[offshore]

Originally Posted by ennjott

So what? I don't own a Leica. My rangefinders are two Minolta 7SIIs and a Konica Auto S2.
Do you think I should keep away from the discussions here because of that?

I've considered getting an M8 but decided against it, we'll see what the future will bring.

My post didn't indicate what your claiming at all it is a statement about another forum. Your post, on the other hand, is precisely what we're talking about here.

[jimmy pro]

Originally Posted by fotografr

The easy solution for getting rid of the people who come to this forum for the purpose of arguing and bickering is to completely ignore them. If we all did this routinely, they would go away and stay away. Just don't take the bait. I know that's hard to do and I rarely take my own advice on this. But rest assurred if these antogonists are routinely ignored, they will disappear.

The fact is, whether you will admit it or not, is that a lot of people try to classify anyone that says something they don't want to hear as "people who come to this forum for the purpose of arguing and bickering" as if that discredits everything they say. The fact that ignoring them doesn't make them go away is that there are plenty of other people who happen to agree with what they say. I've had some maniacs go apeshit on me, and three posts later some other guy who actually understood my meaning and isn't emotionally wrapped up in his camera gear, comes along and agrees with my point.

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

people who would get on the bandwagon about how their Canon/Nikon/Pentax could make better photos with the lens cap on than any M series Leica.

Which I agree is wrong. But so is the fact there are always a few guy's who say the same thing about Leica against C/N/P etc. and try to paint all the C/N/P photographers in the world (which includes just about every one of the most famous, awarded, published, high-paid one's) as having a worst eye and/or lower standards than them, some amature with a flickr account, or a weekend part-time self-publishing has-his-own-website dude with a swelled head from heroe worship on Leica forums. I'm trying to make a general point, not singling anyone out, so no offense to anyone who that shoe happens to fit.

[tbarker13]

Originally Posted by sean_reid

I agree entirely. I think of two places in which many childish people act as they wish - Internet forums and in their cars.

Cheers,

Sean

No doubt Sean. I think of Internet rage and road rage as much the same thing.

[sean_reid]

Originally Posted by tbarker13

No doubt Sean. I think of Internet rage and road rage as much the same thing.

Exactly...It makes me appreciate people who drive with some consideration and those who converse on the web with some consideration. Both kinds do exist, fortunately.

Cheers,

Sean

[fotografr]

Originally Posted by jimmy pro

But so is the fact there are always a few guy's who say the same thing about Leica against C/N/P etc. and try to paint all the C/N/P photographers in the world (which includes just about every one of the most famous, awarded, published, high-paid one's) as having a worst eye and/or lower standards than them, some amature with a flickr account, or a weekend part-time self-publishing has-his-own-website dude with a swelled head from heroe worship on Leica forums.

I would like to issue a challenge to you: Find any post here on this forum from any thread at any time that demonstrates what you just suggested. I read most of this forum and have never been exposed, even once, to the kind of arrogance you say exists here. So, I'd like to see the evidence.

[fotografr]

Waiting.....

[stnami]

.......... maybe you don't read all the threads, eg mine ......... there has been a bit of Canon/Nikon bashing as expected. Direct criticism maybe not, but there are probably remarks insinuating what the pro said.......

[jaapv]

Originally Posted by fotografr

I would like to issue a challenge to you: Find any post here on this forum from any thread at any time that demonstrates what you just suggested. I read most of this forum and have never been exposed, even once, to the kind of arrogance you say exists here. So, I'd like to see the evidence.

Well said!

[fotografr]

Originally Posted by stnami

.......... maybe you don't read all the threads, eg mine ......... there has been a bit of Canon/Nikon bashing as expected. Direct criticism maybe not, but there are probably remarks insinuating what the pro said.......

I agree that there have been disparaging remarks made about other cameras, but I have never read a post here in which a forum member implied that photographers who use non-Leica products have sub-standard skill levels or "worse eye". I don't think that kind of arrogance wold be tolerated, and when JimmyPro makes a brash statement that it has occurred here I'd just like to see some evidence to back up the claim.

[stnami]

................. yea I would be hard pressed to find a direct comment of that nature ....... maybe Jimmy made one himself

[jimmy pro]

Originally Posted by fotografr

I would like to issue a challenge to you: Find any post here on this forum from any thread at any time that demonstrates what you just suggested. I read most of this forum and have never been exposed, even once, to the kind of arrogance you say exists here. So, I'd like to see the evidence.

Anyone is free to go back and see that what I said was in response to what someone else said in reference to photo.net, not this forum. But your purposely quoting me out of context to try and stir up anamosity towards me does point to a problem that the moderator(s) of this forum might ought to look into.

Here's the original post that I quoted when I made my remark:

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

I used to frequent photo.net, which had its share of people who would get on the bandwagon about how their Canon/Nikon/Pentax could make better photos with the lens cap on than any M series Leica.

[jaapv]

Retracting my post # 35