M8 image playback sluggish all of a sudden. Why?

[Leicamateur]

Since yesterday I have a problem when viewing images on my M8.
Sometimes if I push the directional cross to advance to the next image either one image will be skipped (also happens at times if I go backwards) or what also happens is that it jumps forth and back for a split second. I don't review after every image taken but it can be really disturbing if say after a day of shooting on the way back home you wanna review your photos.

I have my M8 for a while now and that has never happened before. It looks like oversensitivity of the directional cross, but why is this occurring just now? I don't get it. I also have the latest firmware on it. Anyone with the same problem here?

[Shootist]

See this thread.
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...-i-missed.html

[jaapv]

It may also be the processor if it has to work excessively hard. IR and UV shots are a bit sluggish, I find.

[Leicamateur]

Originally Posted by Shootist

See this thread.
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...-i-missed.html

I don't see what this thread has to do with the problem described??

@ Jaap

I was browsing "normal" photos, no IR or something fancy but I don't see what difference this would make.

[Shootist]

Originally Posted by Leicamateur

I don't see what this thread has to do with the problem described??

If you read my first post I said "This can solve numerous card problems." which what you are experiencing could be related to the card, NOT the camera as a whole.

[jaapv]

Originally Posted by Leicamateur

I don't see what this thread has to do with the problem described??

@ Jaap

I was browsing "normal" photos, no IR or something fancy but I don't see what difference this would make.

Just a fanciful idea, probably to be blown out of the water by an IT expert. I noticed it does this, and the only thing I can come up with is that the data from the sensor are so way- out compared to normal shots, that interpolating and creating the file takes more computing power/memory than normal, thus slowing the process down.

[Leicamateur]

Originally Posted by Shootist

If you read my first post I said "This can solve numerous card problems." which what you are experiencing could be related to the card, NOT the camera as a whole.

I doubt it is a card related problem because I've been using the M8 for months with always the same Sandisk Extreme III 2GB card and never had a problem. If it would be the card shouldn't the problem have been there from the start? I always format the card in the camera.

[ArtZ]

Originally Posted by Leicamateur

Since yesterday I have a problem when viewing images on my M8.
Sometimes if I push the directional cross to advance to the next image either one image will be skipped (also happens at times if I go backwards) or what also happens is that it jumps forth and back for a split second. I don't review after every image taken but it can be really disturbing if say after a day of shooting on the way back home you wanna review your photos.

I have my M8 for a while now and that has never happened before. It looks like oversensitivity of the directional cross, but why is this occurring just now? I don't get it. I also have the latest firmware on it. Anyone with the same problem here?

Marc,

This happen also with the wheel. Some people call it (me included) "Mad wheel scrolling". It also happens with the arrows < > (sometimes it jumps/skips images).

Apparently, since firmware 1.201 this problem has been "somehow" corrected and it doesn't happen as often as before... but it still happens sometimes...

I have two M8 and I use one of them much more often than the other. What I've noticed is if one of my M8 sleeps on the shelf for a few days, when I use it again I have this problem with the wheel the first time(s).
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[Shootist]

Originally Posted by Leicamateur

I doubt it is a card related problem because I've been using the M8 for months with always the same Sandisk Extreme III 2GB card and never had a problem. If it would be the card shouldn't the problem have been there from the start? I always format the card in the camera.

Ok so don't format the card in a computer and keep thinking it is the camera.
What I have suggested can't hurt, can it?

Good Luck.

[ammitsboel]

Originally Posted by Shootist

Ok so don't format the card in a computer and keep thinking it is the camera.
What I have suggested can't hurt, can it?

Good Luck.

I had a "sluggish" performance from an SD card after I had used the same card in the DMR.
Try formatting it in the camera as a first.

[Leicamateur]

Originally Posted by ArtZ

Marc,

This happen also with the wheel. Some people call it (me included) "Mad wheel scrolling". It also happens with the arrows < > (sometimes it jumps/skips images).

Apparently, since firmware 1.201 this problem has been "somehow" corrected and it doesn't happen as often as before... but it still happens sometimes...

I have two M8 and I use one of them much more often than the other. What I've noticed is if one of my M8 sleeps on the shelf for a few days, when I use it again I have this problem with the wheel the first time(s).
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Art, thank you. You seem to be the only one understanding what problem I am talking about. In fact I had that mad wheel as well, but the one firmware fixed it. I never had mad "arrows" when I first had the mad wheel, so I am more than surprised that I have it all of a sudden. My M8 has been used constantly so that can't be it. Hope a future firmware will fix this problem for good.

[pklein]

I believe the mad arrow problem often happens when the arrows are pressed while the camera is doing something else--either writing to the card, or in the middle of reading a picture for display. Slow reading of a file is more likely to happen if the card is close to full, or files are fragmented (which can happen when you delete shots, then take new ones).

[ArtZ]

Originally Posted by Leicamateur

Art, thank you. You seem to be the only one understanding what problem I am talking about. In fact I had that mad wheel as well, but the one firmware fixed it. I never had mad "arrows" when I first had the mad wheel, so I am more than surprised that I have it all of a sudden. My M8 has been used constantly so that can't be it. Hope a future firmware will fix this problem for good.

Marc

80% of the time I shoot only DNG but sometimes I like to have JPGs out of the camera to share with friends without processing.

I forgot to say before this "mad scroll wheel/arrows" happens more often when my cameras are set "Compression: DNG+JPG fine" I think I haven't seen this if only DNG is selected (but I'm not sure 100%)

[Leicamateur]

I've been shooting DNG only for the past few months. After testing some things I just realized that when there aren't that many photos on the card the mad arrow disease doesn't occur. It's really a strange thing, Leica has to do a lot of fine tuning on the M8 but I love it.

[epand56]

Originally Posted by Leicamateur

I doubt it is a card related problem because I've been using the M8 for months with always the same Sandisk Extreme III 2GB card and never had a problem. If it would be the card shouldn't the problem have been there from the start? I always format the card in the camera.

I'm using two identical Sandisk Extreme III 2GB cards and while one works perfectly, the other one has a pretty weird behaviour. When i connect the camera after having shot pictures, the camera inform me that there are no pics (0 pics) saved on the card. If i take this card and put it in an old USB reader it is not red and do not even appear on the desktop (Mac). The only available way i have to download the pictures is through a brand new Sandisk USB card reader (a reader for SDHC cards).
Don't want to say this is your problem, I'm just saying that even Sandisk Extreme III cards can give you troubles.

[Leicamateur]

Originally Posted by epand56

I'm using two identical Sandisk Extreme III 2GB cards and while one works perfectly, the other one has a pretty weird behaviour. When i connect the camera after having shot pictures, the camera inform me that there are no pics (0 pics) saved on the card. If i take this card and put it in an old USB reader it is not red and do not even appear on the desktop (Mac). The only available way i have to download the pictures is through a brand new Sandisk USB card reader (a reader for SDHC cards).
Don't want to say this is your problem, I'm just saying that even Sandisk Extreme III cards can give you troubles.

Enrico,

you're right, there is trouble with Sandisk cards sometimes, I had lots of different Sandisk cards and some of them wouldn't be recognized on my PC. The one I'm using in my M8 works fine in both PC and MAC though.
Something just comes to mind talking about that, if I try to transfer photos to my MAC directly from the M8 (with USB cable) the MAC won't recognize the M8.
Is that a known problem? I never tried it on my PC.

[ArtZ]

Originally Posted by Leicamateur

Enrico,

you're right, there is trouble with Sandisk cards sometimes, I had lots of different Sandisk cards and some of them wouldn't be recognized on my PC. The one I'm using in my M8 works fine in both PC and MAC though.
Something just comes to mind talking about that, if I try to transfer photos to my MAC directly from the M8 (with USB cable) the MAC won't recognize the M8.
Is that a known problem? I never tried it on my PC.

Marc,

As I have explained on this thread http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...-i-missed.html there's something wrong with M8 format utility: Sometimes your PC sees the SD cards as if they were formated using NTFS and not FAT32. Besides, with 2GB SD cards, the M8 should use FAT16 formart and FAT32 should be reserved ONLY for those 4GB SD cards which are compatible with the M8. All cameras supporting SDHC cards, use FAT16 for cards up to 2BG (normal SD) and FAT32 for higher capacities (SDHC).

You say you have some cards you cannot use it (wouldn't be recognized on your PC). I recommend you to format them with another camera. I'm pretty sure this will make them working again. I don't think they're out of order, just badly formatted.

For my own experiences (and also seen on the M8s of my friends) most problems with SD cards are caused formatting the cards with the M8. I always do it with my PC and I format my cards after downloading the pictures.

I've seen many threads here having problims and complaing about SD cards, getting SD unusable, etc. etc. Since I format my cards regurlarly with my computer, I haven't experienced any single problem related to them.

Cheers, Marc.
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[Leicamateur]

The M8 is the first camera I have with problems like that, why isn't like able to do something about that? They got it to work on the Digilux 3 and all the other cameras
I don't get it. So I'll try formating it on a PC from now on because it bothers me if I always have to open the bottom to get the SD card out and connect it by cardreader to the MAC (which then is recognized perfectly fine, but not in the M8).