M campaign

[carstenw]

Note that there seems to be a per-category limit, mostly, but not always at 3 images.

[jimmy pro]

Originally Posted by offshore

A photographer can't take a picture without a camera and lens regardless of their vision or what they can do.

And a musician can't make music without an instrument, yada yada yada. But the # of weekend photogs who believe buying a Leica can make them shoot like Cartier-Bresson is far more than weekend guitar pickers who believe buying a Gibson can make them sound like Les Paul. Maybe it's easier to look at your own crappy photographs and think they're art, than to listen to yourself hitting wrong notes and buzzing strings and think you sound good. Or maybe it's because your friends and/or spouse can humor you about your photography but can't help holding there ears when you try to play the guitar. The point is, yeah the camera can make a difference, but not nearly as much as the marketing guys would like you to believe.

[One Pic A Day]

Originally Posted by jimmy pro

And a musician can't make music without an instrument, yada yada yada. But the # of weekend photogs who believe buying a Leica can make them shoot like Cartier-Bresson is far more than weekend guitar pickers who believe buying a Gibson can make them sound like Les Paul. Maybe it's easier to look at your own crappy photographs and think they're art, than to listen to yourself hitting wrong notes and buzzing strings and think you sound good. Or maybe it's because your friends and/or spouse can humor you about your photography but can't help holding there ears when you try to play the guitar. The point is, yeah the camera can make a difference, but not nearly as much as the marketing guys would like you to believe.

hahaha, wonderful post!

[carstenw]

Originally Posted by jimmy pro

But the # of weekend photogs who believe buying a Leica can make them shoot like Cartier-Bresson is far more than weekend guitar pickers who believe buying a Gibson can make them sound like Les Paul.

In my experience, this is exactly the other way around. How did you come to this conclusion?

[chrism]

Wouldn't buying a Les Paul make them sound more like, well, Les Paul?

Chris

[giordano]

Originally Posted by jimmy pro

look at your own crappy photographs and think they're art.

I do that every weekend, Don't you? (But the Leica shots don't seem any more artistic than the others.)

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by chrism

Wouldn't buying a Les Paul make them sound more like, well, Les Paul?

Chris

I bought a jazz guitar once and it made me look like B.B. King.

Sounded bad.

Rolo

[elansprint72]

Les Paul was no mean photographer too.

Eat my shorts; crapsters.

[jimmy pro]

Originally Posted by carstenw

In my experience, this is exactly the other way around. How did you come to this conclusion?

Because of in my experience it's like I said.

[andybarton]

Originally Posted by jimmy pro

Because of my experience. Edited

Post some of your own shots, Jimmy.

[firststream]

As of last night, there were over 800 entries in the M-Campaign. I have seen at best, maybe two dozen shots Leica could consider in their marketing campaign.
Well,what is wrong with that?
I remember talking to a very well-known professional photographer who explained it this way: As an amateur, I am lucky if I can get one shot in a hundred. He on the other hand, as a pro, gets 1.5 per hundred!
The message is that good photographs do not come easily. Cartier-Bresson shot over 15,000 rolls of film. How many of his photographs have been published? 500? 1000? His percentages are better than the amateur, but not by much.
Leica is showing a lot of intestinal fortitude by asking for photographic submissions from amateurs. Let us just enjoy the experiment, ignore the crap, and embrace the best.

[erl]

Certainly, Leica will have a large editing job in front of them, but I suspect the first edit will be a 'fast' edit to select the eye catchers. Then they will tighten their perusal repeatedly till they find what they want. I think it is inevitable that some good pics will be missed or passed over in the first weeding. Just cop the fact and move on. Edit on a different day and get a different result. As photographers we should be familiar with this scenario.

It could be argued that the real test of how good "your" pics are is 'what you think of them.'

[charlesphoto99]

I think they'd be better off contacting a few professionals and coming up with a few stellar images. Maybe they think they can get something cheap this way. And from the looks of it most of what they are getting looks - cheap.

A big problem is very few people bother with the art that needs to take place after the picture has been taken. That is a given whether it's a $500 camera or a $5000 camera. I've never taken a pic in my whole career that doesn't need some kind of work after the fact.

[offshore]

Originally Posted by jimmy pro

And a musician can't make music without an instrument, yada yada yada. But the # of weekend photogs who believe buying a Leica can make them shoot like Cartier-Bresson is far more than weekend guitar pickers who believe buying a Gibson can make them sound like Les Paul. Maybe it's easier to look at your own crappy photographs and think they're art, than to listen to yourself hitting wrong notes and buzzing strings and think you sound good. Or maybe it's because your friends and/or spouse can humor you about your photography but can't help holding there ears when you try to play the guitar. The point is, yeah the camera can make a difference, but not nearly as much as the marketing guys would like you to believe.

The point was, jimmy pro, that without a camera you can't record images or complete your vision. I have no idea what your connection is with guitars and photography but I certainly hope that your friends and spouse humor you regarding your own crappy photo's that you think are art.

[erl]

O.K. guys, I can see the potential for 'getting personal' here. Personal abuse will not be tolerated on this forum, so keep on topic and respect others opinions. That does not mean you have to agree with them, just respect them for what they are .... opinions.

[jimmy pro]

Originally Posted by andybarton

Post some of your own shots, Jimmy.

Kind of a unfair trick don't you think, taking advantage of your moderator status to pull up part of a posting I edited almost immediately after posting it...which can be proved because the post you linked to doesn't contain that statement and doesn't have a "last edited by..." at the bottom. The reason I edited it was precisely because I thought it was likely to touch too many sensitive nerves and didn't want to stir the pot...which, oddly, you, a moderator, chose to do.

Jim Provenzano

[jimmy pro]

Originally Posted by offshore

The point was, jimmy pro, that without a camera you can't record images or complete your vision. I have no idea what your connection is with guitars and photography but I certainly hope that your friends and spouse humor you regarding your own crappy photo's that you think are art.

I'm positive all of us understand that some kind of a camera is needed to make a photograph. Most of us also understand that a particular camera or features thereof, are a lot less critical to the quality of the photograph vs the raw abilities of the photographer, than camera makers admen want us to believe.

And yes, my friends humor me about my crappy photo's. My spouse, who is aware of how much my M8 and Leica lenses cost, not so much

[stunsworth]

Originally Posted by erl

Certainly, Leica will have a large editing job in front of them, but I suspect the first edit will be a 'fast' edit to select the eye catchers.

Based on my experience of editing my own shots, and a few stints of editing for a LUG project, I'd guess getting from 1,000 to 50 or 40 will be very quick and very easy. It's the next, secondary edit that's difficult in my experience.

I agree with a previous poster that many of the shots don't look suitable for an ad campaign, but we all love our photographic children - well, most of us do I guess - and want to share them. It's the job of the campaign people to sift through what's available and select the ones that appeal to _them_.

The assumption on my part is that the general thrust of the campaign is going to be along the lines of "this is what people like you can achieve with an M8". Like all ads that's not necessarily true, but we don't believe the ad men anyway do we? <grin>

[stunsworth]

[quote=Rolo;560013]I bought a jazz guitar once and it made me look like B.B. King/quote]

More like Wayne King than BB I'd say <grin>

[andybarton]

Originally Posted by jimmy pro

Kind of a unfair trick don't you think, taking advantage of your moderator status to pull up part of a posting I edited almost immediately after posting it...which can be proved because the post you linked to doesn't contain that statement and doesn't have a "last edited by..." at the bottom. The reason I edited it was precisely because I thought it was likely to touch too many sensitive nerves and didn't want to stir the pot...which, oddly, you, a moderator, chose to do.

Jim Provenzano

I responded to your original post, before you took it down (check the timings). I will therefore edit my response, if you have had second thoughts on your post.