For those of us who think the other brands don't have problems..

[Dan States]

Yikes:Shooting In The Deep Freeze - Packers NFC Championship Part II A Little News


Sounds like a bit more cold weather testing is needed by Nikon.

[sdai]

You would expect this guy took at least ONE look into the freaking manual ... it's clearly specified that D3's working temperature is between 0 and 40 Celsius degrees with less than 85% humidity ...

[sleeek]

Thats rediculous..0-40 C. Who wants to buy a camera that can't operate blow freezing. My D2X handled the harshest extremes. Surely they will fix this issue, if it truly is an issue on all of the D3's.

[giordano]

Originally Posted by sleeek

Thats rediculous..0-40 C. Who wants to buy a camera that can't operate blow freezing. My D2X handled the harshest extremes. Surely they will fix this issue, if it truly is an issue on all of the D3's.

Then don't think of buying a M8: page 136 of the manual says:

Operating Conditions: 0 to +40° C

[sleeek]

Originally Posted by giordano

Then don't think of buying a M8: page 136 of the manual says:

Operating Conditions: 0 to +40° C

What the manual says and what actually happens are two different things. I use my M8 in extremely low temperature conditions, and it has handled fine. If all D3 truly don't work in cold conditions, then there are some serious issues. If these cameras in the article were stored in this extreme cold for a long period of time, I can see the fault.

[marknorton]

Yawn, nothing like some breathless anecdote to have detractors crawling out of the woodwork.

[waterlenz]

The M8 works fine in sub-freezing conditions. I took this pic on Sunday, the temperature was about 10F and there was a 20 or so kt breeze. That is snow and ice floating on the surface caught in a tidal current.
Tom

[giordano]

Originally Posted by sleeek

What the manual says and what actually happens are two different things. I use my M8 in extremely low temperature conditions, and it has handled fine. If all D3 truly don't work in cold conditions, then there are some serious issues. If these cameras in the article were stored in this extreme cold for a long period of time, I can see the fault.

You're the one who said that a specified operating range of 0 to 40C was ridiculous.

I agree that we normally expect our Leicas and Nikons to operate below freezing and above 40 degrees ... but the fact that the spec sheets specify that range means that the manufacturers don't feel able to guarantee 100% performance or reliability outside it and is at a minimum a warning that special measures may be needed (just as they were with all-mechanical film cameras at extreme temperatures).

[giordano]

Originally Posted by waterlenz

The M8 works fine in sub-freezing conditions. I took this pic on Sunday, the temperature was about 10F and there was a 20 or so kt breeze. That is snow and ice floating on the surface caught in a tidal current.
Tom

Hi Tom,

Nice pic. Made me shiver!

Air temperature of 10F (-12C). Leicas don't have a vascular system so shouldn't suffer from wind chill. Were you carrying the camera inside your parka or whatever, or had it been out in the air for long enough for its innards to stabilise at the ambient temperature?

[waterlenz]

Thanks John. By the time I took this picture the camera had been used a while and had reached near ambient temps - very cold to the touch. I carried it between my parka and outer quilted shirt between some of the shots. My hands got numb a couple times, which limited my time, had to get out of the wind.

Attached here is another shot taken about 30 minutes earlier. I was standing on the tailgate of my truck facing into the breeze - you may be able to make out the whitecaps behind the point that the road curves around. I had been shooting birds with my D2X and 400/2.8 during which the the M8 was in a case on the car seat cooling off - forgot to mention this before. You can see a fish cleaning station on the roadside in the background - this is a popular spot to catch salmon during the summer!
Tom

[stnami]

Back to the my dog is better than your dog caper ...

[robsteve]

Originally Posted by waterlenz

Thanks John. By the time I took this picture the camera had been used a while and had reached near ambient temps - very cold to the touch.

If you run one of your DNGs through cornerfix, you can see the ambient temperature of the camera. I think the lowest I have seen on mine was -1 celius.

[KM-25]

Originally Posted by Dan States

Yikes:Shooting In The Deep Freeze - Packers NFC Championship Part II A Little News


Sounds like a bit more cold weather testing is needed by Nikon.

No, it sounds like he did something wrong, consistently at that.

I got my D3 and D300 in the first wave.
After 11,000 frames in temps from as high as 25F to as low as -22F no windchill, the D3 and even the D300 are outstanding. And this is not sitting on the side lines of a football game either, this is more like in a blinding snowstorm at 12,000 feet on a ridge shooting for this famous skier:

::Chris Davenport, Ski the 14ers project::

Or even better, try about -45 windchill at 16,000 feet hanging out of a helicopter before sunrise?

Each and every time, flawless. I don't know what these underpaid goons were doing, but they buggered something up bad....

Nice try, but in the rest of the world, the D3 kicks A$$.

[waterlenz]

Originally Posted by robsteve

If you run one of your DNGs through cornerfix, you can see the ambient temperature of the camera. I think the lowest I have seen on mine was -1 celius.

Thanks Rob, I use LR on a MAC and have not used cornerfix. How does cornerfix get the temperature data?
Tom

[sandymc]

Originally Posted by waterlenz

Thanks Rob, I use LR on a MAC and have not used cornerfix. How does cornerfix get the temperature data?
Tom

The M8 stores the temperature in the makernotes attached to each image - thanks to Carl Bretteville's work (see the threads elsewhere) - CornerFix can decode them.

Sandy

[Robert Belasario]

Originally Posted by stnami

Back to the my dog is better than your dog caper ...

However much I would love to disagree with fellow forumist Stnami, I do agree with him, put feelijngs aside and judge cameras by their performance in different circumstances and each will have their pros and cons, some more than others mind you! ... you are never going to be able to justify having bought the best canera in the world

[terrycioni]

Originally Posted by marknorton

Yawn, nothing like some breathless anecdote to have detractors crawling out of the woodwork.

Exactly Mark,

I have several friends who have shot international ski events in the Rocky Mountains of Alberta in some mighty cold weather without any difficulty what so ever. Even here on the west coast of Canada we have had a cold cold windy winter and my D3 has not had a problem nor the M8s.

This type of post is not dissimilar to posts I have read about the M8.... as Mark points out most of it FUD and breathless commentary. Myself included we should be above this, considering the beating the M8 has taken with similar FUD.

This is no reflection on the OP....

Best to all. Terry.

[waterlenz]

Originally Posted by sandymc

The M8 stores the temperature in the makernotes attached to each image - thanks to Carl Bretteville's work (see the threads elsewhere) - CornerFix can decode them.

Sandy

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...ther-m8-2.html

the m8 metadata project

Thanks, to save time I C&P the links above. I looked at the ExIF data in CS2 and "DNG Private data" are not there though a lot of other data are. The files had already been imported into LR.

[stnami]

Robert on behalf of Stnami, Imants says thanks ......I hear that ward 065 is vacant so is the 2nd of April ........

[waterlenz]

It took less than 40 minutes to get CF and figure out how to find the temperature - I am a total non-geek (why I use MACs). The coldest the M8 got on the day of the above pix was 4C! The previous day the M8 got down to 1C during this parade in a blizzard - the air temp was warmer, however, 27F as you can see. This my last picture of it.