Leica M-A

[Kloss]

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If Leica Rumors is to be trusted there will be a new "Leica M-A" as well as a new "Leica M Edition 60" soon.

 

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BR

Thomas

[jbl]

I saw that too. My assumption is that they're renaming the MP to be the M-A to avoid the crazy M-P/MP distinction. They did that naming with one of the special editions recently and that makes a lot of sense since film is far less important these days and it's just endless confusion

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[christopherpuchta]

Unless i'm completely mistaken, the M-A news is already a few months old...

 

Breaking: new Leica M-A film camera and 28mm Summilux-M f/1.4 ASPH lens | Leica News & Rumors

[mjh]

Unless i'm completely mistaken, the M-A news is already a few months old...

Indeed the M-A isn’t exactly news. (Neither is the M Monochrom (Typ 230) which still makes the rounds on rumor sites when it has already been introduced months ago.)

[Kloss]

Unless i'm completely mistaken, the M-A news is already a few months old...

 

Breaking: new Leica M-A film camera and 28mm Summilux-M f/1.4 ASPH lens | Leica News & Rumors

 

Unless I am completely mistaken, wasn't the Leica M-A introduced as part of the limited Leica 100 Years Box (together with a summilux 28 and a Monochrom)?

 

BR

Thomas

[250swb]

Indeed the M-A isn’t exactly news. (Neither is the M Monochrom (Typ 230) which still makes the rounds on rumor sites when it has already been introduced months ago.)

 

But it is symptomatic of how chaotic Leica's naming system has become, even the rumour sites are adding two and two to make five, never mind the 'enthusiasts' who's peak of excitement is raised, then deflated, then raised again, then deflated. Weariness will set in before long, and Fuji and Sony are waiting in the wings.

 

Steve

[colonel]

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But it is symptomatic of how chaotic Leica's naming system has become, even the rumour sites are adding two and two to make five, never mind the 'enthusiasts' who's peak of excitement is raised, then deflated, then raised again, then deflated. Weariness will set in before long, and Fuji and Sony are waiting in the wings.

 

Steve

 

 

Oh yes, consumer AF cameras are waiting in the wings to replace RF ....

Last time I looked neither had, or planned to have a RF system, and Fuji doesn't make any FF camera.

 

If you are looking at a small camera there are plenty of choices but Leica. If you want the RF, workflow and jewel like quality there is no substitute. This is wishful thinking.

 

Although I did see a yellow diamanté X-E1 kit at Harrods for £6000 if that tickles your fancy

[mjh]

But it is symptomatic of how chaotic Leica's naming system has become, even the rumour sites are adding two and two to make five, never mind the 'enthusiasts' who's peak of excitement is raised, then deflated, then raised again, then deflated.

Leica’s naming system is actually quite predictable. For example, after the introduction of the M (Typ 240) I had predicted that a version with some added features would be called the ‘M-P (Typ whatever)’. The rumour mongers often have no clue; they are so busy sorting out their various sources of rumours that they fail to check against publicly available information.

[jaapv]

But it is symptomatic of how chaotic Leica's naming system has become, even the rumour sites are adding two and two to make five, never mind the 'enthusiasts' who's peak of excitement is raised, then deflated, then raised again, then deflated. Weariness will set in before long, and Fuji and Sony are waiting in the wings.

 

Steve

Well, rumour sites have to add anything to anything to make anything to stay in business, so I would hardly regard that as a touchstone of market evolution.

[jaapv]

If Leica Rumors is to be trusted there will be a new "Leica M-A" as well as a new "Leica M Edition 60" soon.

 

 

BR

Thomas

They are not.....

[Kloss]

Leica’s naming system is actually quite predictable. For example, after the introduction of the M (Typ 240) I had predicted that a version with some added features would be called the ‘M-P (Typ whatever)’.

 

 

So what is the prediction if it comes to the M-A?

Will it be a replacement for the current MP (just badge engineered)?

 

Is there any logic in the current naming process e.g. as:

M = newest digital Leica model

M-P = as M but "professional"

M-E = older digital model and less expensive

M-M = Monochrome digital Leica

M-A = analogue (mechanical) Leica

 

But if M-A will be a replacement for the (analogue) MP what will happen to the Leica M7, currently being the last survivor with a digit but analogue as well?

 

BR

Thomas

[jcraf]

When I phoned my dealer recently to ask if they had any stock of the M-P, I was told 'Yes, three of them. All black paint, mint condition. Good to see you are still shooting film'............

 

No, no, no, I said........................I already have an MP, I am after the new M-P (or should that be M240P, M dash P etc etc).

[mjh]

Is there any logic in the current naming process e.g. as:

M = newest digital Leica model

M-P = as M but "professional"

M-E = older digital model and less expensive

M-M = Monochrome digital Leica

M-A = analogue (mechanical) Leica

The M is the base model, an M-P differentiates itself from the base model by some added features (forget about the ‘professional’ tag; the M in all its variants is basically an amateur camera that also happens to be used by some professional photographers) while the M-E is somehow simplified and based on the previous base model. Unless Leica changes their naming scheme again, ‘M Monochrom’ won’t be shortened to M-M. Whether future analogue models will share a name based on ‘M-A’ is still unknown at this point.

 

The same logic applies to the other lines as well. An S with added features is an S-P, an ‘entry-level’ version based on a previous model an S-E. A T-P would be possible, as would an X-E or an S Monochrom. Whether any such models will ever be introduced is a different matter but if they are, we already know how they will be called.

[pgk]

.....(forget about the ‘professional’ tag; the M in all its variants is basically an amateur camera that also happens to be used by some professional photographers.....

I think that this applies to ALL cameras given that many more are sold to amateurs than professionals because amateurs represent a much larger market;). Odd though that the idea of a camera being used 'professionally' still makes for good marketing - this probably harks back to the days when 'pro' use cameras had to be tough. Most professional photographers that I know use cameras relevant to their requirements and look after them. Top models are often bought only when there is no relevant and cheaper alternative. This seems to have become more the situation since digital took over with its constant quick obsolescence and rapid model turnover.

[mjh]

I think that this applies to ALL cameras given that many more are sold to amateurs than professionals because amateurs represent a much larger market;).

Most cameras on the market are amateur cameras and many of these are also used by professionals and for professional tasks. On the other hand there are professional cameras (the S is Leica’s professional line) that are also used by amateurs who can afford those, and in many cases these will outnumber the pros. Amateurs buying pro models may even be necessary for keeping these cameras viable.

 

Odd though that the idea of a camera being used 'professionally' still makes for good marketing - this probably harks back to the days when 'pro' use cameras had to be tough.

Robustness may indeed be a defining feature of a ‘pro’ model. A Ferrari Testarossa is an amateur car whereas trucks or tractors are strictly professional cars. But while trucks and tractors do hold some appeal for some, I gather most are rather lusting after the Ferrari. It’s strange …

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Had to delete some posts here.

 

No machine guns in a Leica M-A thread. Please.

 

No at all in the forum if you ask me...

I'm pretty sure there's an app, uhm, other forum for that.

 

Andreas

[bocaburger]

A Ferrari Testarossa is an amateur car whereas trucks or tractors are strictly professional cars. But while trucks and tractors do hold some appeal for some, I gather most are rather lusting after the Ferrari. It’s strange …

 

In the US at least as many if not more pickup trucks are bought as private passenger vehicles than for commercial purposes. The Testarossa is actually the redheadded (no pun intended) stepchild of the Ferarri lineup. I think only Miami Vice fans are nostalgic for them

[pgk]

On the other hand there are professional cameras (the S is Leica’s professional line) that are also used by amateurs who can afford those, and in many cases these will outnumber the pros.

Interesting, because I would define a 'professional' camera as one actually being used by professional photographers rather than one aimed at professional photographers. In my own speciality, enthusiast's cameras like the Canon 5D were adopted 'professionally' because they actually fulfilled more requirements than the higher specification and more 'expensive' 'professional' cameras. Definitions and target audiences are all very well, but may be more about marketing than actuality. I'd guess that more amateurs own the Leica S range than pros......

[colonel]

All very circular. I saw a wedding photographer using a 60D and the images were terrific. I have also seen amateurs limping around London carrying a D4 and a big backpack. So ?

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Look here: Leica M

[Richard.no]

Indeed the M-A isn’t exactly news. (Neither is the M Monochrom (Typ 230) which still makes the rounds on rumor sites when it has already been introduced months ago.)

 

The now rumored M-A is not the already announced one. We're talking about a remake of the MP with a rewind crank ala M7. So both MP and M7 could be about to enter the archives, while a blended model appears, M-A, squeezing the remains of analogue into the new nomenclature. Time to get your MP a la carte?

 

Haven't seen any new Monochrom rumors lately, but the Monochrom (Typ 230) was hardly anything else than a new body?