edwardkaraa Posted October 29, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone still exposes to the right with the M? I find that exposing correctly or slightly underexposing gives me the best tonality. Pulling down the exposure in ACR seems to distort the colors and affect the tonality. The M definitely doesn't like ETTR in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlanJW Posted October 29, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 29, 2014 I shoot digital like I used to shoot slide film. Stay on the underexposed side to avoid blown highlights. Digital shadow detail is very rich, and the M(240) IMHO does extremely well with slight underexposure. That of course is a general rule and it presumes you know what you are doing in post processing. I also tend to shoot even more underexposed in poorer light at lower ISOs as opposed to "spot on" exposure at higher ISOs, as I think the results are better. That is a personal view of course. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 29, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 29, 2014 No. For the same reason you stated. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted October 29, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 29, 2014 Same here. Never exposed to the right with the M8, M9, M240, S2. A bit of noise in the shadows always preferable to burnt highlights and the problems that you describe. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 29, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 29, 2014 No ETTR for me either with both the M9 and M. With Canon I found the shadows would band horribly when pushed. Not so with my Leica's. Plus with more dynamic range in modern sensors it's becoming less and less necessary. Gordon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmknoble Posted October 29, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 29, 2014 ETTR has it's place. While you do not want to blow highlights, if you have a low contrast scene (cloudy day), you can still expose your highlight as far to the right as you can without blowing it. Then you can add contrast to darken your shadows and it works wonderfully in the M and the Monochrom. You only get color banding when you blew the highlight in one or two channels, but not all three.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 29, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) It seems there is a bit of confusion about the term ETTR. When the highlights are blown it's not ETTR but overexposed. 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 29, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 29, 2014 I shoot digital like I used to shoot slide film. Stay on the underexposed side to avoid blown highlights [...] +1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted October 29, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 29, 2014 Seems to me that the M240 will not like the "OneZone" method,either (as published on LuLa yesterday...) 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 30, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 30, 2014 Anyone still exposes to the right with the M? I find that exposing correctly or slightly underexposing gives me the best tonality. Pulling down the exposure in ACR seems to distort the colors and affect the tonality. The M definitely doesn't like ETTR in my opinion. Agree, since ETTR seems to work better with DSLR cameras than the new M240. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted October 30, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 30, 2014 Seems to me that the M240 will not like the "OneZone" method,either (as published on LuLa yesterday...) If anyone missed it: The Optimum Digital Exposure 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted October 30, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 30, 2014 It seems there is a bit of confusion about the term ETTR. When the highlights are blown it's not ETTR but overexposed. Correct ! I expose my images as bright as i can, without blowing the important highlights out. It seems to be working for me so far, underexposure and pushing the exposure back up in post seems to introduce a lot of noise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted October 30, 2014 Its not only about clipping highlights. I have noticed that the tonal gradations get a bit rougher when I do ETTR. The best tonal gradations I can get are when slightly underexposing by 1/3 stop or exposing correctly. I have also noticed ETTR screws around with some subtle shades of colors. Again for best color accuracy, correct exposure is the best. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted October 30, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 30, 2014 Anyone still exposes to the right with the M? I find that exposing correctly or slightly underexposing gives me the best tonality. Pulling down the exposure in ACR seems to distort the colors and affect the tonality. The M definitely doesn't like ETTR in my opinion. I noticed your multiple ZM lenses. Have you experienced the same with any Leica lenses ? On my M240, I have a ZM Planer 50mm that tends to be very slightly "more" saturated when compared to the same shots with my 50LUX FLE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 30, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 30, 2014 Its not only about clipping highlights. I have noticed that the tonal gradations get a bit rougher when I do ETTR. The best tonal gradations I can get are when slightly underexposing by 1/3 stop or exposing correctly. I have also noticed ETTR screws around with some subtle shades of colors. Again for best color accuracy, correct exposure is the best. I don't understand why this isn't a tautology. Please explain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted October 30, 2014 Share #16 Posted October 30, 2014 Its not only about clipping highlights. I have noticed that the tonal gradations get a bit rougher when I do ETTR. The best tonal gradations I can get are when slightly underexposing by 1/3 stop or exposing correctly. I have also noticed ETTR screws around with some subtle shades of colors. Again for best color accuracy, correct exposure is the best. Isn't tonal gradation totally dependent on PP (adjusting curve)? My guess is that underexposing by 1/3 gives the tonal gradation that may be pleasing without any adjustment but the same can be achieved in higher exposure (without highlight blowout) by curve adjusting in PP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share #17 Posted October 30, 2014 I noticed your multiple ZM lenses. Have you experienced the same with any Leica lenses ? On my M240, I have a ZM Planer 50mm that tends to be very slightly "more" saturated when compared to the same shots with my 50LUX FLE. Sorry but I currently don't have any Leica glass so I couldn't say for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted October 30, 2014 I don't understand why this isn't a tautology. Please explain. I think it is easy to make a small experiment. Try to shoot a colorful subject, preferably red, at optimal exposure, and then overexposed as much as possible, without clipping the red channel. Now try to equalize the exposure in ACR, using the same WB, and let me know what you see. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted October 30, 2014 Isn't tonal gradation totally dependent on PP (adjusting curve)? My guess is that underexposing by 1/3 gives the tonal gradation that may be pleasing without any adjustment but the same can be achieved in higher exposure (without highlight blowout) by curve adjusting in PP. My understanding is that tonal gradations are dependent on too many things, like the sensor, lens, bit depth, demosaicing algorithms, CFA ... etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem331 Posted October 30, 2014 Share #20 Posted October 30, 2014 I find that in low artificial light conditions and high ISO some underexposure really washes out the colours, whilst this is not the case at normal ISO in daylight conditions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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