Edward Louis Marit Posted July 11, 2014 Share #1 Posted July 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) While out today shooting with my M I discovered that when setting a shutter speed and aperture manually the camera will arbitrarily change it. For example I set shutter to 60, take the picture and in review mode the display tells me it was taken at 1/30! Looking at the dial, it's still set to 60. Plus the picture is unusable. This happens predominantly in LV. Any ideas? Am used to the simpler monochrom. The M is relatively new to me. It has the firmware update. Lenses used today summicron 35 and tri-Elmar 16-18-21. Thank you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnJWhite Posted July 11, 2014 Share #2 Posted July 11, 2014 Any chance exposure compensation was switched on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2014 Share #3 Posted July 11, 2014 Or Auto-ISO? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Louis Marit Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted July 11, 2014 Neither, unfortunately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2014 Share #5 Posted July 11, 2014 In that case I could not explain it. There must be some auto function messing things up somehow. Flash attached? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJWhite Posted July 11, 2014 Share #6 Posted July 11, 2014 I spent about 5 minutes trying to replicate the issue but couldn't. This is very odd indeed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike51 Posted July 11, 2014 Share #7 Posted July 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I experienced a similar problem. Quite bizarre behaviour. Took me a while to work out that exposure bracketing was on. Worth checking and checking again. Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justj Posted July 11, 2014 Share #8 Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) I had the similar problem but only in 1/4000 speed. Whenever I set shutter speed to 1/4000 the camera will only take 1/3000. After it came back from the repair center the camera is fine now. If it is in Auto-ISO, the only thing will (and should ) change is ISO, so your camera is faulty just like mine. A trip back to the manufacturer is necessary to correct the problem. (unless is exposure bracketing as stated by the post above) Edited July 11, 2014 by justj Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Helm Posted July 11, 2014 Share #9 Posted July 11, 2014 While out today shooting with my M I discovered that when setting a shutter speed and aperture manually the camera will arbitrarily change it. For example I set shutter to 60, take the picture and in review mode the display tells me it was taken at 1/30! Looking at the dial, it's still set to 60. Plus the picture is unusable. This happens predominantly in LV..... A couple of firmware updates ago, this behavior was seen commonly, when the batteries were new. I thought this had been cured in present FW updates. Try waiting until your batteries have been recharged in camera 3-4 times, then this behaviour may disappear when your batteries mature to its official specifications. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted July 11, 2014 Share #10 Posted July 11, 2014 Is this really a thing? Battery age can over power the set exposure? That's just plain whacky. Gotta love Leica :-) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2014 Share #11 Posted July 11, 2014 A couple of firmware updates ago, this behavior was seen commonly, when the batteries were new. I thought this had been cured in present FW updates. Try waiting until your batteries have been recharged in camera 3-4 times, then this behaviour may disappear when your batteries mature to its official specifications. Weird.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Helm Posted July 12, 2014 Share #12 Posted July 12, 2014 Is this really a thing? Battery age can over power the set exposure? That's just plain whacky. Gotta love Leica :-) It was discussed about half a year ago, Li batteries have to be charged a couple of times for the ions to find their places in a matrix, not anything specific to Leica. Thus official battery specifications are only reached after some charging. In LV over- or underexposure was seen with say 1/30 dialed in, but the frame was dark an said 1/60 or worse. It cured itself when the batteries matured to official specifications. In the next FW update, it seems to have been addressed, as reports of this behavior died out. So have patience it may cure itself in a short time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Louis Marit Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted July 12, 2014 Thanks everyone for your advice. I will double check exposure compensation again . Hopefully it is the battery issue and I don't have to send the camera back to Leica. Not even sure how I would do that from Canada. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike51 Posted July 12, 2014 Share #14 Posted July 12, 2014 And.....don't forget to check exposure BRACKETING! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted July 13, 2014 Share #15 Posted July 13, 2014 The age of the battery should have nothing to do with this. If it does, it seems to indicate some kind of manufacturing or design defect. I'd stick with the camera. Mine did a few weird things when brand new. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 13, 2014 Share #16 Posted July 13, 2014 For example I set shutter to 60, take the picture and in review mode the display tells me it was taken at 1/30! Looking at the dial, it's still set to 60. Plus the picture is unusable. This happens predominantly in LV. It would be worth checking to see if you have exposure bracketing (not compensation) engaged because if it isn't set to 'Auto' you won't get three images shot in sequence which would be a giveaway, but it will be implemented each time you press the shutter button. So one picture will be under exposed, one over, and one correct. Especially so as you can now use Exposure Bracketing in Manual mode. That may not be the problem though, because one stop difference in your exposures shouldn't make a picture unusable, so it may be something bigger. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Louis Marit Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share #17 Posted July 13, 2014 Thanks Steve, good idea. Clearly the operation is quite different than the M9/MM. I will check this and do some tests to see if it is still doing it. If it is I guess I will have to try and figure out how to get a warranty repair from Canada. Regards Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 15, 2014 Share #18 Posted July 15, 2014 If sending it to Leica, have your dealer handle it due to customs/paperwork issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Louis Marit Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted July 16, 2014 Update: seems to have stopped doing it after recharging the battery and carefully checking all of the settings in the menus. I will continue to monitor it for a while . Thanks to all for your suggestions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Helm Posted July 16, 2014 Share #20 Posted July 16, 2014 Update: seems to have stopped doing it after recharging the battery and carefully checking all of the settings in the menus. I will continue to monitor it for a while . Thanks to all for your suggestions. More on batteries: Before the first FW update it seemed as if the function of LV had been designed based on the specifications of mature batteries, and check-out as well. Many users experienced a number of glitches when their batteries were fresh and not yet mature enough to have reached their official specifications. The glitches disappeared after 3-4 battery charging cycles. This was addressed in the first FW update and there has been few if any reports since then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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