Tilt shift lens for Leica M (240)

[peterbob67]

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Hi there

 

I'm a newbie here and have a question!

 

But first I thought I'd say hello to you all, this seems a really positive place. I'm a North of England dweller who works in the beer and affordable housing trades, an odd combination I know! I have a Leica M, a couple of lenses, a tripod and some filters, and enjoy landscape photography, especially B&W.

 

I'm interested in a tilt shift lens and have tried a 35mm TS Canon FD with adaptor, and it works... sort of! It is hard to focus as there is no image magnification in live view, so I think in giving up with that.

 

Has anyone had more success or any recommendations? I'd be interested to hear your experiences.

 

Thanks

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[thomas_schertel]

The M240 has an image magnification, if you are using Live View. You have to push the button in front of the camera. Read in the instruction booklet on page177 and 178.

I myself have tried the PA-Curtagon with the R to M adaptor and it works fine, but it shifts only.

It might be more difficult, if you are tilting the lens according to the Scheimpflug rules.

 

Maybe it will help, if you think of the following aspects:

Tilting works good, if the nearest and farest parts of your motive are on a imaginary plain. It should neither be parallel to the sensor nor to the optical axis.

Then you turn the central field of the screen to the nearest distance and focus. Keep in mind the distance. Then to the farest part of the motive and focus, too. Keep in mind the distance too.

Then put the scale of the lens in the middle between the distances (not in metres, but in the middle oft the way you have to turn the focussing ring).

Now you can tilt until both the nearest and the farest part of the motive are sharp. If this does not work, you have to stop down a bit. Another possibility is to move until the angle of the imaginary plain becomes bigger.

 

Yours sincerely

Thomas

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[thomas_schertel]

Your picture of the forest:

e. g.: Nearest point the stump oft the tree in the middle, farest point the upper parts oft the trees in the background.

But even if you are tilting, you have tos stop down, because the sharpness does not stretch from the ground to the heaven, but it is a wedge beginning near the camera and becoming broader in the distance. Sou you must stop down, until the wedge is broad enough to cover all the height of the trees.

 

My english reaches its end here.

But you can read this: Scheimpflug principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

yours sincerely

Thomas

[thomas_schertel]

Another idea to the photo of the trees:

nearest Point: left tree

farest Point: tree above the end of the way

and tiltingto the left side.

 

Yours sincerely

Thomas

[brill64]

shot no.1 shows a lot of promise with this lens. You handle it well. Great stuff!! Check all your shifts & tilts are set to zero each time before using.

[dant]

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TS adapter on Fuji X and Adapted TS on Leica work pretty nice.

[thighslapper]

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I have an Arax 35/2.8 and it works fine ...... Being completely manual.

Using focus peaking easily shows where the plane of focus is and how it moves as you adjust the lens.

Arax are cheap and surprisingly good quality .... Just a bit soft wide open.....

[peterbob67]

Thank you all for your replies and apologies for seeming rude by not replying sooner, work got ridiculous and I lost energy, alas!

 

Thomas, your English is excellent and your help immense, and Mr Brill, thank you! Infact thank you all, I'll try and get my life back and post more!!

 

Cheers

 

Pete

 

 

 

 

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[peterbob67]

PS ... It feels wrong to use these words, but Mr ThighSlapper, which Arax lens mount do you use and what adapter do you use?

Thanks

Pete

 

 

 

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[thighslapper]

They make an Leica R mount version and then I use a Novoflex or Leica M-R adapter (I have both).

 

The Arax supplier in the Ukraine is very helpful ....... and they need all the help they can get as well

 

I have the 35/2.8 and 80/2.8 and both work very well...... although they are not as well finished as Canon/Nikon and have a rather odd aperture adjustment method.

 

Modern Canon/Nikon are all auto and there is no way to alter the aperture. Arax work fine and image quality is perfectly adequate for the odd time you need one..... I could not justify the expense of some of the alternatives for something I use infrequently ....

[Theodor Heinrichsohn]

I used old Nikon 28 and 35 shift lenses, as well as an old Olympus 24mm shift lens converted to Nikon on the M (240). All with a new Novoflex Nikon to Leica / M converter.

At max shift the 28mm Nikon was surprisingly good, much more even exposure than I had expected.

What intrigued me is that I exposed at the set f stop AFTER shifting and had good exposures. If I remember correctly,I used to measure exposure on a film Nikon BEFORE shifting.

I do not have a modern tilt shift lens.

Teddy

[Berth]

They make an Leica R mount version and then I use a Novoflex or Leica M-R adapter (I have both).

 

The Arax supplier in the Ukraine is very helpful ....... and they need all the help they can get as well

 

I have the 35/2.8 and 80/2.8 and both work very well...... although they are not as well finished as Canon/Nikon and have a rather odd aperture adjustment method.

 

Modern Canon/Nikon are all auto and there is no way to alter the aperture. Arax work fine and image quality is perfectly adequate for the odd time you need one..... I could not justify the expense of some of the alternatives for something I use infrequently ....

 

I believe Canon/Nikon are manual focus.

[Gabriel66]

On Leica M9 and MM the 24 and 17 canon tse are fantastic. Framing all in the eye with the viewfinder WATE.

It is held closed fixed to f 11 (the diaphragm canon is electric) and are mounted with adapter ring.

Gabriele Caproni photographer

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On Leica M9 and MM the 24 and 17 canon tse are fantastic. Framing all in the eye with the viewfinder WATE.

It is held closed fixed to f 11 (the diaphragm canon is electric) and are mounted with adapter ring.

Gabriele Caproni photographer

 

Did you have the opportunity, to test the old Canon lens TS 2.8-35 SSC on the M-240?

Although I have a copy of it yet, but unfortunately no M-240, where I could try it out.

 

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[geoffreyg]

On Leica M9 and MM the 24 and 17 canon tse are fantastic. Framing all in the eye with the viewfinder WATE.

It is held closed fixed to f 11 (the diaphragm canon is electric) and are mounted with adapter ring.

Gabriele Caproni photographer

really? You've used the Canon tilt lens with the MM? Wow. Any examples to see?

[Gabriel66]

This is a picture with 17/4 tse on MM.

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[peterbob67]

It's intriguing! Having just been on a landscape photography course where everyone used tilt shift apart from me, I'm even more intrigued....

 

The Nikon PC-E NIKKOR 24mm f/3.5D ED has a manual aperture ring but the details say it's electronic aperture.... would this lens work work say the novo flex adapter?

 

 

 

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[sillbeers15]

I have also been reading lately about tilt & shift lens and view cameras application on landscape subject.

 

Can someone advice if the Novoflex tilt and shift bellow be applied to M240 with any M lens for the same effect as the tilt & shift lenses? Would the lenses still have the ability to focus to infiniti?

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I have also been reading lately about tilt & shift lens and view cameras application on landscape subject.

 

Can someone advice if the Novoflex tilt and shift bellow be applied to M240 with any M lens for the same effect as the tilt & shift lenses? Would the lenses still have the ability to focus to infiniti?

 

Bellows extend the way from the lens to the sensor or film plane, which means for all M lenses that they will draw sharp only in specific macro ranges but never at infinity for landscapes.

In addition, the lens needs a larger size than the 24x36mm-format for an adjustment in the T&S range.

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[plewislambert]

"Modern Canon/Nikon are all auto and there is no way to alter the aperture. Arax work fine and image quality is perfectly adequate for the odd time you need one..... ....

 

I use a Nikkor 28mm PC lens on a Leica M adapter and get good results leaving the lens stopped down to f8 or f11. The11mm max shift plus portrait mode gets the top of tall buildings in. I inspect the image....if I have clipped the top of the building I repeat the shot with a slight backward tilt of the camera that I correct quickly in Pshop Elements. The amount of shift this lens enables is quite remarkable. I would like to try the 24mm Olympus shift lens but its maximum shift is apparently less and its price about double the £330 I paid for the NikkorPc. The 35mm PC lenses are really not wide enough.

Obviously a 5x4 monorail on a tripod with a modern Super Angulon would be better but this simply would not happen in these digital times.

 

Philip