minhhich Posted June 28, 2013 Share #1 Posted June 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi guys, I am planning to buy a Dlux 6, but considering the price different, I look at the Pana LX7, too. I now they are the same camera, but does the Leica branded one produce any difference in terms of color reproduction, etc...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest badbob Posted June 28, 2013 Share #2 Posted June 28, 2013 I hope someone has compared them side-by-side. I gave my LX7 away a few days ago and have a D-Lux6 arriving tomorrow, so I might be able to compare the D-Lux6 images to what I got with the LX7, but unfortunately it will not be side-by-side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timd. Posted June 28, 2013 Share #3 Posted June 28, 2013 you'll get adobe lightroom and a red dot with the d-lux, not with the lx. jpeg colors seem to be a little different - usually people say that the lx has more color-saturation. that's not too important if you're a raw-shooter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 28, 2013 Share #4 Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) There are plenty of threads on this, and plenty of "religious" views. In short - they are the same camera, produced by the same people with the same glass, capable of identical results. Leica is more expensive but offers better bundled software and warranty and a better resale value. Panasonic is cheaper and depreciates faster. The Leica takes an accessory handgrip. This makes handling better if you have large hands. That's it. Regards, Bill Edited June 28, 2013 by bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted June 28, 2013 Share #5 Posted June 28, 2013 The software and the updates of clones Leica and Panasonic are not exchangeable from a device to the other one. He has well to have there a small difference in the conception... Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 28, 2013 Share #6 Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Panasonic have to screw up their firmware, they make it so the colours look crappy. They also use some sandpaper on the back element of the lens so that the photos don't come out as sharp as on the Leica versions. They have to do these things so that people who buy the Leica can say their version is better. (edited) Edited June 28, 2013 by earleygallery 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 28, 2013 Share #7 Posted June 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The point, of course, being that Leica themselves never have said their products are superior to the Panasonic equivalent. Indeed they have never clearly stated any difference at all, in spite of the occasional unsubstantiated claim to the contrary. No. The only people I have ever seen claiming that the D-Lux is superior are those that have bought one. Best Regards, Bill (Originator of the D-Lux Challenge, past owner of more than one LX and D-Lux) Sent from another Galaxy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 28, 2013 Share #8 Posted June 28, 2013 Yes Bill you're right, I've edited my post accordingly! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted June 28, 2013 Share #9 Posted June 28, 2013 Panasonic have to screw up their firmware, they make it so the colours look crappy. They also use some sandpaper on the back element of the lens so that the photos don't come out as sharp as on the Leica versions. They have to do these things so that people who buy the Leica can say their version is better. (edited) The comment is a little exaggerated... But why then a software and updates different ? Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timd. Posted June 28, 2013 Share #10 Posted June 28, 2013 But why then a software and updates different ? because leica owners don't like a panasonic-logo in their startup-screen (and maybe vice versa) 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 28, 2013 Share #11 Posted June 28, 2013 I will accept that the firmware is different when I see photographic evidence but despite all the claims, no one has ever posted comparison images* The firmware IS different insofar as the Leica version has the Leica logo etc., and the Panasonic version has the Panasonic logo etc. Whether one chooses the Leica or Panasonic version of any of the Pana/Leica cameras is down to personal preference - but I believe that both cameras will give the same end results, photographically* Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted June 28, 2013 Share #12 Posted June 28, 2013 The comment is a little exaggerated...;)But why then a software and updates different ? Guy Just a little - but to be sure you might want to ask them what grade of sandpaper they use. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted June 28, 2013 Share #13 Posted June 28, 2013 I will accept that the firmware is different when I see photographic evidence but despite all the claims, no one has ever posted comparison images* The firmware IS different insofar as the Leica version has the Leica logo etc., and the Panasonic version has the Panasonic logo etc. Whether one chooses the Leica or Panasonic version of any of the Pana/Leica cameras is down to personal preference - but I believe that both cameras will give the same end results, photographically* I understand certain things all the same… I never said besides that the two devices could have a real difference in quality of the images. The test of John Thaley is simple but it has the virtue to exist on these two devices : http://www.johnthawley.com/journal/2009/7/8/leica-digilux-2-panasonic-dmc-lc1-tete-a-tete.html I wonder simply why the devices in partnership Leica/Panasonic do not have their updates interchangeable. It would be simpler and one would not put any more a question… Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted June 28, 2013 Share #14 Posted June 28, 2013 I understand certain things all the same…I never said besides that the two devices could have a real difference in quality of the images. The test of John Thaley is simple but it has the virtue to exist on these two devices : I wonder simply why the devices in partnership Leica/Panasonic do not have their updates interchangeable. It would be simpler and one would not put any more a question… Guy Here's a thought: Imagine neither camera had any firmware. Someone has to develop quite a bit of camera firmware, probably in some really tight and gnarly 'C' language code, to cover even the basic operations. I would guess that some basic amount of this firmware is shared, i.e. that Leica and Panasonic did not independently sit down and write the full firmware from scratch, or from cloning an existing code from another of their cameras. So that being the case, the potential for differences would have to arise at the point where the common code ends and the proprietary code begins. It seems like there would be a great potential for real differences, unless the non-shared code was very small and almost superficial. And I'd further guess that Pana and Leica have an agreement to share certain blocks of new code after the release of the camera, because it's nearly impossible from my experience to draw a hard line between the firmware for each camera, since nearly all of it is shared anyway and the complexity just wouldn't allow (for example) Panasonic to say at some point "OK - we really have to fix that autofocus bug 'XYZ' with a firmware patch, so Leica you do yours and we'll do ours". It is possible in theory at least to produce such clean and compartmentalized OOP software that you could hand off a few patch DLL's to your OEM and then each partner add their own code to that, but I'm not optimistic that much if any camera firmware is that cleanly coded. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted June 29, 2013 Share #15 Posted June 29, 2013 OK badbod. I did not translate correctly the totality of your answer but I think of having understood the meaning. Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted June 29, 2013 Share #16 Posted June 29, 2013 OK badbod. I did not translate correctly the totality of your answer but I think of having understood the meaning. Guy Just exploring the different aspects of what these companies go through in trying to share technology, or a product line, yet have their own identities. I got the G-Star Raw yesterday, and it was love at first sight. Panasonic never did procure or sell those carry cases like this one or the 18727 brown case, and with the case, plus the very nice wrist strap and other extra shoulder/neck strap, you can see there's a lot more to the G-Star package than just the camera. And surprisingly, it doesn't have a bling-bling look to it in person - it looks very conservative and understated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted June 29, 2013 Share #17 Posted June 29, 2013 You have right badbod. The life is short and pleasures should be made. Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northwest Wanderer Posted June 29, 2013 Share #18 Posted June 29, 2013 I've seen terrific images from both cameras. I'd say if you don't have Lightroom the D-Lux 6 might be worth the extra expense. If you have your heart set on having a Leica product get the D-Lux 6. If the brand name is not an issue, buy the LX7, their EVF, spare battery and pocket the change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted June 30, 2013 Share #19 Posted June 30, 2013 Just exploring the different aspects of what these companies go through in trying to share technology, or a product line, yet have their own identities. I got the G-Star Raw yesterday, and it was love at first sight. Panasonic never did procure or sell those carry cases like this one or the 18727 brown case, and with the case, plus the very nice wrist strap and other extra shoulder/neck strap, you can see there's a lot more to the G-Star package than just the camera. And surprisingly, it doesn't have a bling-bling look to it in person - it looks very conservative and understated. Please Post some pictures of your RAW.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted June 30, 2013 Share #20 Posted June 30, 2013 Please Post some pictures of your RAW.... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/65005-albums5928.html That's where I pasted them - the forum software shrinks them a lot. I'm liking this camera better every day, and it helps that I would have sprung for the carry case and wrist strap if I bought the standard edition, so altogether, a pretty nice deal. The external finish is amazing... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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