Leica Noctilux 1.2/50mm

[Ivar B]

No, I did not sell and decided to keep it. The dollar is extremely weak at the moment against my own currency, and this is a bad time to sell.

[luigi bertolotti]

Originally Posted by Ivar B

No, I did not sell and decided to keep it. The dollar is extremely weak at the moment against my own currency, and this is a bad time to sell.

... Ivar ... you're by sure a serious economist... but let's tell the TRUTH between ourselves... is HARD to decide to separate ourselves from our beloved items... ... I did it once only (*), years ago...a IIIG body with Leicavit... and anytime I see one (even only on pic hereby) I feel something bitter in my heart ...

(*) to be precise...apart the Noctilux 1,2 (really, IT!) I sold in 1989... but this is a different, funny story of my youth...posted it months ago...

[Ivar B]

Yes, this is not an easy decision. Nobel prize winner Daniel Kahneman has given us theory to understand this behaviour.

There is a lens out on eBay now, more than $11000, but mine is in better condition with box!

Leica M lens 1,2/50mm Noctilux Type 1. with Hood bei eBay: Film Camera Lenses (endet 14.10.07 17:01:36 MESZ)

[s.m.e.p.]

Originally Posted by Ivar B

There is a lens out on eBay now, more than $11000, but mine is in better condition with box!

Leica M lens 1,2/50mm Noctilux Type 1. with Hood bei eBay: Film Camera Lenses (endet 14.10.07 17:01:36 MESZ)

Yes, this is one of Boris´ prices from another galaxy... Sometimes I ask myself if he really wants to sell. But we can be thankful that he holds the LEICA-prices up.

[lightpainter]

Originally Posted by s.m.e.p.

Yes, this is one of Boris´ prices from another galaxy... :

yes, that's it: his prices are out of this world; it seems collectible items (same with vintage guitars, collecible amplifiers such as Dumble) show a growing tendency of reaching for another galaxy; the first electric guitar I bought as a student in 1968 (a gold top Gibson Les Paul Standard) that would not sell for 8.000 EUR five years ago is sold in the US for about 25.000 $ these days; I often ak myself who would pay such prices; the last Noctilux 1.2 I saw at Ebay went for about 4.000 EUR, but it is was of course not mint; I'm glad the Noctilux 1.0 does the same job for less than half that price (I have the older "Made in Canada" version with the detachable hood); I'll keep my 1,4/35 Aspherical and my Gibson guitar, though, to buy me a place in an old people's home some day....

[Ivar B]

Let us see what happens. Boris is a very experienced dealer and it is unlikely that he should be pricing his items systematically wrong.

[luigi bertolotti]

"The price of a collectible depends on the mood of the buyer and the seller at a certain moment" - another McKeown's quotation; someway Lapalicien... anyway, I don't think this market is at the point of luridness in which "fake" prices are made public to maintain the market at high levels (it happens elsewhere...) : if someone buys a mint Nocti 1,2 at $11.000... we can say that a mint Nocti 1,2 today has a value in the range of 10K$.

[Iron Flatline]

The focusing ring on that lens looks more useful than the one on my late-model 1.0 Noctilux. In fact (blasphemy alert!) it looks like the one on my 35mm Nokton.

[digifancn]

Originally Posted by Ivar B

Maybe I will. Not easy to let go of something when you know that you will never find another one.

Would you pls show me your lens' photos?

my email: superebc@gmail.com

[Hacker]

Originally Posted by digifancn

Would you pls show me your lens' photos?

my email: superebc@gmail.com

DO NOT DEAL WITH THIS GUY FROM CHINA. I had a deal on the ZM25 and the hood with him on Ebay and he sent the lens but not the correct 25/28 hood (he sent the 21/25 one). Since it was pointless to send it back, I asked that the correct hood be sent instead and I will pay for the new one. He acknowledged his mistake and will pay for the postage (not the courier). I paid him and that was the last of it as it was not via Ebay (but Paypal direct). Numerous emails to him and he gave some excuse about being sick and never replied after that. Now it is with Paypal dispute.

HE IS NOT HONEST AND CAVEAT EMPTOR.

[Ivar B]

We discussed the market price for the Noctilux 1.2/50 a short while ago. I watched with interest how high the one being offered by Westlicht in Vienna would go in their auctions - and you know whar - 16 000€ excl. premium. This lens costs the buyer close to 20 000€.

WestLicht Photographica Auction

Mine is in about the same condition - but the box is more worn.

[s.m.e.p.]

Originally Posted by Ivar B

Mine is in about the same condition - but the box is more worn.

Put it on ebay or give it to the next "westlicht"-auction.

[luigi bertolotti]

Ivar ! That's Your Moment !

[Ivar B]

Psychologists Daniel Kahneman (Nobel Prize 2002) and Amos Tversky have taught us the "disposition effect", which crudely points to a behaviour anomaly, whereby a person will not sell something he/she owns, even for a price they themselves would not be willing to pay for the same item. This is what I teach my students, anyway, and I find myself in the same situation, but there is a limit here someplace.

[s.m.e.p.]

The Nocti is only glass and metal. You shouldn´t sell your wife!

[Ivar B]

My wife is most definately not for sale!

[ESTEBEVERDE]

Hello Ivar~

You find yourself in an interesting dilemma.

Perhaps there is another way to look at it.

If you love your lens, and love the images from it but aren't shooting with it, perhaps you could enjoy it by knowing someone who values it a great deal is using it to bring these images to life?