jc_braconi Posted June 11, 2012 Share #1 Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Looking for a long time an early Viso I I found this one : a Visoflex I Scientific IFLEX comparing with the one I already had, we can note the different front flange and the absence of the Viewfinder shoe ( the particular I was seeking for) the abence also of eyelet for attaching a carrying strap the different Leitz engraving the earlier in the condensor shape and serial number (usualy the s/n is on the chrome plated ring that hold the focusing glass) the late one it is in scroll style and germany engraved. and the viewfinder : the early one hold the PLOOT style one, certainly to take advantage of the build in 30x separate lens) Have my day CLAting it It's all Folks ! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 3, 2012 by jc_braconi 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181570-visoflexes-i-s-fuldy-new-york/?do=findComment&comment=2037595'>More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted June 11, 2012 Share #2 Posted June 11, 2012 JC, you are always smart in finding intriguing items... is the first Viso I I see without the accessory shoe ; I think it could be dated 1951 to 1954... what do you think about ? About the front flange... is it normal that it is black as in the right item of your picture ? I saw many items so, but in my one, apparently "late" (17.568) it is chrome like your new item. Given that we are about Viso I.... I have never understood which is the function of this small button to the side (right, from back) : it moves, with spring, a little dent along the inner "window"... haven't idea of its role... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (too lazy these days to arrange a decent picture, sorry for poor image quality... ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (too lazy these days to arrange a decent picture, sorry for poor image quality... ) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181570-visoflexes-i-s-fuldy-new-york/?do=findComment&comment=2037785'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted June 11, 2012 JC, you are always smart in finding intriguing items... is the first Viso I I see without the accessory shoe ; I think it could be dated 1951 to 1954... what do you think about ? About the front flange... is it normal that it is black as in the right item of your picture ? I saw many items so, but in my one, apparently "late" (17.568) it is chrome like your new item. Given that we are about Viso I.... I have never understood which is the function of this small button to the side (right, from back) : it moves, with spring, a little dent along the inner "window"... haven't idea of its role... [ATTACH]320015[/ATTACH] (too lazy these days to arrange a decent picture, sorry for poor image quality... ) Luigi !!!!! are you kidding ? ... this is for passing from horizontal view to vertical one whithout having to tilt the camera body. press the button with 2 finger in the rear part and move it 90° and you will inclick in an another slit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 11, 2012 Share #4 Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) Luigi !!!!! are you kidding ? ... this is for passing from horizontal view to vertical one whithout having to tilt the camera body. press the button with 2 finger in the rear part and move it 90° and you will inclick in an another slit. By Jove... me stupid.... I even used the same feature on the OUBIO and never thought of it about the Viso I.... this matters when one collects something without using ... great mistake !!! Edited June 11, 2012 by luigi bertolotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted June 11, 2012 Visoflex I 1951 - 1962 about the front flange only the early one have a painted one 165xx the other are whithout this flange.from 30xxx to 35xxx cannot tell exactly the year of issue of them and I do not know how many were build. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181570-visoflexes-i-s-fuldy-new-york/?do=findComment&comment=2037866'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 11, 2012 Share #6 Posted June 11, 2012 JC, You have a truly amazingly extensive collection. Congratulations. Question: How many different types of Visoflex I, II, and III were made? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted June 12, 2012 Share #7 Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello Jean Claude, Thank you for the nice photos. What do you mean by "painted flange"? BTW: My #33xxx BM Visoflex I looks pretty much like your 2d from the right Viso I in Post # 5. It has a standard chimney focussing tube in nickel w/ condenser Leitz logo. Possibly from a PLOOT? Best Regards, Michael Edited June 12, 2012 by Michael Geschlecht Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share #8 Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) Hello Jean Claude, Thank you for the nice photos. What do you mean by "painted flange"? BTW: My #33xxx BM Visoflex I looks pretty much like your 2d from the right Viso I in Post # 5. It has a standard chimney focussing tube in nickel w/ condenser Leitz logo. Possibly from a PLOOT? Best Regards, Michael by "painted flange" I mean that the first on the left on post # 5 is not nickel or chrome plated but silver/grey painted like the hood of a SOOZI fom the 2/90 Summicron. "It has a standard chimney focussing tube in nickel w/ condenser Leitz logo". like this : if yes it is not from a PLOOT (to see my first thread about) but from kind of laboratory apparatus.(more protection against intensive use or environemental conditions) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 15, 2012 by jc_braconi 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181570-visoflexes-i-s-fuldy-new-york/?do=findComment&comment=2038039'>More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted June 12, 2012 Share #9 Posted June 12, 2012 JC, that 'kind of laboratory apparatus' is a focusing slide or focusing stage. The empty left mounting flange is for a Leica body, and the clamp secured it in place. The focusing screen and the film plane were at the same optical distance from whatever lens you screwed into it on the other side. The code for this item is certainly FULDY. Time for this early version was 1930–1932. The thing was used for macro and copy photography. The Reprovit copy stands worked in a similar manner (and I have worked with one). Indeed, the text on the case for the magnifier says "Simple Loupe 5x for Copy-Apparatus Lgcoo". I am intrigued by the 'Ernst Leitz Wetzlar Germany' engraving however, for the FULDY was a Leitz New York item. If we may believe D. Laney, Leica Collector's Guide 2d edition, pp. 416–418, and he was often right. R.I.P. The old man from he Kodachrome Age Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share #10 Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) JC, that 'kind of laboratory apparatus' is a focusing slide or focusing stage. The empty left mounting flange is for a Leica body, and the clamp secured it in place. The focusing screen and the film plane were at the same optical distance from whatever lens you screwed into it on the other side. The code for this item is certainly FULDY. Time for this early version was 1930–1932. The thing was used for macro and copy photography. The Reprovit copy stands worked in a similar manner (and I have worked with one). Indeed, the text on the case for the magnifier says "Simple Loupe 5x for Copy-Apparatus Lgcoo". I am intrigued by the 'Ernst Leitz Wetzlar Germany' engraving however, for the FULDY was a Leitz New York item. If we may believe D. Laney, Leica Collector's Guide 2d edition, pp. 416–418, and he was often right. R.I.P. The old man from he Kodachrome Age This was just for showing the kind of viewfinder we were speaking about wihout taking an another picture for this viewfinder, there is one of those in the left upper corner of this box. I took a pict ! in fact they are nickel plated and grey/silver painted over ! Lars please have a visit at my website you will understand some things Thank you Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 12, 2012 by jc_braconi Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181570-visoflexes-i-s-fuldy-new-york/?do=findComment&comment=2038284'>More sharing options...
Pecole Posted June 12, 2012 Share #11 Posted June 12, 2012 by "painted flange" I mean that the first on the left on post # 5 is not nickel or chrome plated but silver/grey painted like the hood of a SOOZI fom the 2/90 Summicron. "It has a standard chimney focussing tube in nickel w/ condenser Leitz logo". like this : if yes it is not from a PLOOT (to see my first thread about) but from kind of laboratory apparatus.(more protection against intensive use or environemental conditions) You caption your photo "FULDY", Jean-Claude, but is it not an OOZAB ? FULDY is the Leitz New York thing, isn't it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share #12 Posted June 12, 2012 You caption your photo "FULDY", Jean-Claude, but is it not an OOZAB ? FULDY is the Leitz New York thing, isn't it? Pierre Where you see FULDY ? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huubl Posted June 12, 2012 Share #13 Posted June 12, 2012 Wonderful series of visoflexes. I have a similar one and it occurred to me that on my IFLEX the ground screen selector is at a 90 degree angle to the ones shown here (see pictures below). You might think that in this position the visoflex could not be turned into vertical position, but actually it can and nicely (and indeed amazingly) turns around the top of the mounted body (a M1 in my case) without touching it. I obtained my example from the photo department of the lab I'm working and as far as I know, it was always used the way it still is. Could it be that the ground glass selectors of your IFLEXs are mounted wrongly. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181570-visoflexes-i-s-fuldy-new-york/?do=findComment&comment=2038496'>More sharing options...
huubl Posted June 12, 2012 Share #14 Posted June 12, 2012 ....I'm so stupid. I suddenly realize you're IFLEX must be turned in the vertical position in the photo's you've posted while mine is turned in horizontal position. Sorry about this stupid intrusion. Please consider this post not written... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/images/icons/icon11.gif Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share #15 Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) ....I'm so stupid. I suddenly realize you're IFLEX must be turned in the vertical position in the photo's you've posted while mine is turned in horizontal position. Sorry about this stupid intrusion. Please consider this post not written... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/images/icons/icon11.gif No problem, sometimes one man error help a lot of men listening. Nice picts Thanks Edited June 12, 2012 by jc_braconi Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 12, 2012 Share #16 Posted June 12, 2012 Visoflex I 1951 - 1962about the front flange only the early one have a painted one 165xx the other are whithout this flange.from 30xxx to 35xxx cannot tell exactly the year of issue of them and I do not know how many were build. JC... I note that the accessory shoe in your various Viso I looks to be not always fitted/positioned in the same way... the one to the left (oldest ?) is "adherent" to the cylindrical surface of the body (like mine)... the others are onto a small protruding support.... is it always of the same height or even this detail did change in the years ? From the picture, the 2nd from left seem a bit higher than the others, but I can be wrong... And... was the "support" added to allow the fitting of the 200/400mm viewfinders without interfering with the mirror button ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share #17 Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) JC... I note that the accessory shoe in your various Viso I looks to be not always fitted/positioned in the same way... the one to the left (oldest ?) is "adherent" to the cylindrical surface of the body (like mine)... the others are onto a small protruding support.... is it always of the same height or even this detail did change in the years ? From the picture, the 2nd from left seem a bit higher than the others, but I can be wrong... And... was the "support" added to allow the fitting of the 200/400mm viewfinders without interfering with the mirror button ? You are absolutely right Luigi, we have to keep in mind that before 1954 the Viso I were exclusively for SM cameras,(low cameras bodies) but after that, with the issue of the M3, this accessory shoe has to be raised to allow the necessary clearance in between the SFTOO and SQTOO viewfinders notwithstanding that this "new" Viso I were made in M & SM mount for at least the IIIg body. We find the same upgrading for the TZOON and TXBOO remembering also the raising intermediate accessory shoe made for the M5 body to be seen on the last pic Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 12, 2012 by jc_braconi 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181570-visoflexes-i-s-fuldy-new-york/?do=findComment&comment=2038608'>More sharing options...
Pecole Posted June 13, 2012 Share #18 Posted June 13, 2012 Pierre Where you see FULDY ? Thanks It is your reference appearing under your attachment when copying your pix. (Comme ça n'apparaît pas comme référence publiée, c'est simplement pour que vous vérifiiez la référence dans vos archives). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted June 14, 2012 Share #19 Posted June 14, 2012 JC, I understand your intention, which I, being the busybody I am, did slightly misread. I am still nonplussed however by the fact that the FULDY shown, being an early 1930's Leitz New York product, is engraved 'Germany'. Were some actually manufactured in Wetzlar? The old man from the mid-1930's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted June 15, 2012 Share #20 Posted June 15, 2012 JC, I understand your intention, which I, being the busybody I am, did slightly misread. I am still nonplussed however by the fact that the FULDY shown, being an early 1930's Leitz New York product, is engraved 'Germany'. Were some actually manufactured in Wetzlar? The old man from the mid-1930's. Jean-Claude's photo does NOT illustrate a FULDY, but the first version of the "German" OOZAB, dear old man from the mid-thirties (I am from 1934...). As far as I know, the sliding focusing stages were first developed at Ernst Leitz New York in 1930, with three known FULDY versions, followed by the longer base FULEC in 1948 and a special COPIN version with calibrated clear glass strip in the focusing screen (I used to have one in my Fontenelle collection). The "German" version OOZAB was comercialized from 1938 and exists in several versions, including one for the Leica IIIg and the GRBOO for the Leica 250, and was available until 1957. I look for a photo of my COPIN to publish it here one of these days. Leically yours. The other old man. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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