gberger Posted March 20, 2015 Share #1 Posted March 20, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Puts, who now owns and uses a Leica M-A, has an interesting article on the differences between digital and film photographers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 Hi gberger, Take a look here Erwin Puts' Latest Blog on "Celluloid" - Film vs Digital. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
250swb Posted March 20, 2015 Share #2 Posted March 20, 2015 How long will it be before somebody chips in to point out that celluloid isn't used to make film anymore? Steve 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted March 20, 2015 Share #3 Posted March 20, 2015 How long will it be before somebody chips in to point out that celluloid isn't used to make film anymore? Steve :)Someone from the fire department. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gberger Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Yeah, I wondered about that, also; however, his observations about film vs digital are interesting. Edited March 20, 2015 by gberger left out a word. Lousy typing skills Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 20, 2015 Share #5 Posted March 20, 2015 I'm glad he has given Tanol a plug as a developer, maybe it will wean a few people off Rodinal if they give it a try? Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted March 21, 2015 Share #6 Posted March 21, 2015 As a Tri-X + Rodinal user, his comments on Tanol are interesting. How good are Tanol's anti-oxidant qualities? The main reason I use Rodinal is that due to being out of the country for nine or ten weeks at a time, there are gaps of three months between my development activities and Rodinal does not suffer from oxidisation. Yes, yes, I know about inert gases and filling part-used bottles with marbles but having once lost a roll to three month old Ilfosol, I am reluctant to take risks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted March 21, 2015 Share #7 Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Yeah, I wondered about that, also; however, his observations about film vs digital are interesting. Thanks George for the post Celluloid | The TAO of Leica I agree , some quotations of common sense "Since I own the Leica M-A I have not made any digital images" E. Puts for celluloid : "The movie has been shot on celluloid or in Italian ‘pellicola’ and the maker of the film (Alice Rohrwachter) has chosen this medium with conviction. Her argument is that digital film making is faster and easier and more practical than working with pellicola, but not necessarily produces better results. " It's correct : Cannes Q&A: Director Alice Rohrwacher Explains Mix of Languages ‘Le Meraviglie’ | Variety Best Henry Edited March 21, 2015 by Doc Henry 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 21, 2015 Share #8 Posted March 21, 2015 I tend to think that Erwin overstates the significance of small differences, but this article makes the point that the oft benighted shutter lag is overstated. I like this comment: The digital photographer can shoot at will to capture the moment, but the celluloid photographer has to be more attentive to what is happening and to be more conscious of when the moment is there I have never really got away from the way I was taught to take pictures - plan, and take at the right moment, as you will then need to wind the film on. We were miserly and didn't bracket, which meant you had to be accurate with exposure and focus - you weren't going to get another shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted March 21, 2015 Share #9 Posted March 21, 2015 I thought I was going to post something about this piece of purported wisdom but then decided I won't. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted March 21, 2015 Share #10 Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) The next "Twin Peaks" will be turned in film * (David Lynch) Same idea with Quentin Tarantino Best Henry *http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/david-lynch-twin-peaks-2016-on-film/ Edited March 21, 2015 by Doc Henry 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 21, 2015 Share #11 Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) As a Tri-X + Rodinal user, his comments on Tanol are interesting. How good are Tanol's anti-oxidant qualities? The main reason I use Rodinal is that due to being out of the country for nine or ten weeks at a time, there are gaps of three months between my development activities and Rodinal does not suffer from oxidisation. Yes, yes, I know about inert gases and filling part-used bottles with marbles but having once lost a roll to three month old Ilfosol, I am reluctant to take risks. Drop an email to Wolfgang, he is a nice chap. I would guess longer keeping properties are very good, as is the case with many similar types of developer. But compensating and staining developers can be addictive once tried, they are often very benign and fine grain, and with some remarkable properties for processing different ISO films in the same tank for the same processing time without any loss of quality. Steve Edited March 21, 2015 by 250swb 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted March 21, 2015 Share #12 Posted March 21, 2015 So would Bresson have used 10fps much if he learned on it and had that option? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted March 21, 2015 Share #13 Posted March 21, 2015 Many things are not good when done fast: a good example is lovemaking.* Stand developing in Rodinal possibly has some advantages, then. Looking forward to his next book. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted March 22, 2015 Share #14 Posted March 22, 2015 I tend to think that Erwin overstates the significance of small differences, but this article makes the point that the oft benighted shutter lag is overstated. I like this comment: I have never really got away from the way I was taught to take pictures - plan, and take at the right moment, as you will then need to wind the film on. We were miserly and didn't bracket, which meant you had to be accurate with exposure and focus - you weren't going to get another shot. What the does Mr. Puts mean exactly by this quote? I have no idea, and his blog post didn't really provide much context. Seems like hot air to me. And why does he define "decisive moment" based on an interpretation of one single photographer's style? I get the fact that HCB invented the term. However, that was a long time ago and the term now has been used and abused for decades. With all due respect, the blog post seems like babbling to some degree... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted March 22, 2015 Share #15 Posted March 22, 2015 I bet if you study his contact sheets, he missed many decisive moments too. Every photographer knew that there could be a critical time to capture action or when everything in the scene came together. Now I think HCB did great work but it wasn't magic. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted March 22, 2015 Share #16 Posted March 22, 2015 :)Someone from the fire department. You're thinking of cellulose nitrate; scary stuff. Cellulose acetate? Not so bad. ORWO N74's base is thicker than Tri-X's and I always thought Tech Pan felt crisp under the scissors. Don't care what those people are using as long as I can buy their film. s-a 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 22, 2015 Share #17 Posted March 22, 2015 I bet if you study his contact sheets, he missed many decisive moments too. Every photographer knew that there could be a critical time to capture action or when everything in the scene came together. Now I think HCB did great work but it wasn't magic. Interesting thing is that he destroyed his contact sheets ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 22, 2015 Share #18 Posted March 22, 2015 Now I think HCB did great work but it wasn't magic. No, it wasn't magic, it was hard work. In the introduction to the 'The Decisive Moment' Bresson encourages staying with the subject (working the subject), all he adds as a proviso is to guard against using the camera like a machine gun. This is an early bit of text from the Introduction so often forgotten when in later paragraphs the nature of the decisive moment is cherry picked out of context. So Puts nostalgic idea that 'you weren't going to get another shot' (if it really applies to learning from the HCB ethos) is very wide of the mark, and which Bresson's contact sheets also disprove. Bresson gave himself plenty of second attempts. I can't imagine Puts hasn't read 'The Decisive Moment', but he ought to read it again. Steve 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted March 22, 2015 Share #19 Posted March 22, 2015 A little OT, but is Erwin's own photography available online? I googled a bit but could not find anything. I'd like to see the kind of work he does. Thanks. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted March 23, 2015 Share #20 Posted March 23, 2015 How Studying Contact Sheets Can Make You a Better Street Photographer I always wondered why we push the shutter release countless times when we "know" we don't have a great photo. But I long ago decided that this is just part of the process of being there and paying attention for the few times when something really good actually comes together in front of you. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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