Dmr Vs M8

[guy_mancuso]

Real quick befor ei run off to another gig. Here is a shot with a Big soft box on location for a Bank ad. I shot both the DMR and M8 . I did not have my 75 cron but used a 50 luc on the M8 and my 80 lux on the DMR , there WB and I blew up the M8 file to the same size so sharpness will go to the DMR here and I may have been a touc off on the M8 but look at the color the M8 has the Ir filter on. This is pretty close

Top M8 bottom DMR. This is a bank executive. This is not a final image . need to airbrush and such , but a pretty good idea what the M8 is doing. Have fun catch you later

[guy_mancuso]

Oop's M8 on left , DMR on right

[guy_mancuso]

To my eyes the red in here skin looks better on the M8 and the DMR maybe a touch warm. The IR filter may be doing nice things to skin tone. We will have to look into that more

[DaveEP]

Nice one Guy..... keep'em coming

[robert_parker]

Guy

To my eye the DMR looks a little more natural in the eye / freckle department, though the reds are (typically) overstated in the DMR shot - she does look as if she changed lipstic between shots but the M8 photo is highly competetive with the fleshtones

[ptomsu]

would say typical colour shift of the DMR, too warm and too much magenta

M8 looks much more neutral here

Peter

[itn]

This is what I would like to do when I receive my M8, hopefully, in next week.
I found yesterday, that the dealer in Japan does not have any stock of BWF 486 filter at 46mm and 49mm. And even I order it now, they say, it will take 1-3 months for the delivery. So, my preference naturally goes into Capture One solution deeply.
Enjoy your time ! Thank you for posting.

[newyorkone]

Guy,

Did you use an IR filter on the M8 or did you shoot this straight up?

[Jamie Roberts]

Originally Posted by ptomsu

would say typical colour shift of the DMR, too warm and too much magenta

M8 looks much more neutral here

Peter

Peter--this is also the profile Guy is using for the DMR.

I find it too warm too. Please check out FlexColor's profile, which, made by Imacon and not phase, is NOT too magenta or "warm-orange" in the skin tones.

[benjamin]

The top one from M8 looks better to me.

[osera]

If the color issues are taken away, then I'm really struck with how close these images are, especially when they are converted for posting here. If this holds up, it is a Good Thing, IMO. With the color here factored in, I also prefer the look of the first.

[guy_mancuso]

You know if you split the difference it maybe just about perfect. The DMR is a little warm and usually i back off here on the portraits. This was just let it go and see what happens. they are not bad though and the M8 with the Ir filter on did the job that bleu jacket would have went purple, no question in my mind. It was polyester. Thanks guys for looking . Not too shabby . Just so everyone know i am really doing noting to any of the files posted unless i say so . Just want to see what is coming out of the box. Not the biggest fan of testing but you learn a heck of a lot about your gear and reason i do it

[rick_dykstra]

bit confused here, as to which image is from which camera. Which body took the image with the lady's left hand showing? On my screen that comes out on the bottom and so I'm thinking it's from the DMR. And the bottom shot does look slightly warmer. But they're both really good. Great stuff. Might have to buy one. Ha!

Re focusing with the M8 - I've taken thousands of portraits like this production line style with M6s and learned that I need to focus the rangefinder (on the closest eye) and then jink the focus forward the slightest degree, to get good focus on print, that could compare with prints from an R body. I explored this situation with some technical drawings. Focussing with a properly calibrated M places more of the acceptable zone of focus behind the intended point than in front, whereas with an R it tends to be equally balanced before and behind (because it's our eye directly and subjectively assessing what looks right on the focussing screen). While I still use this method when taking portraits with the M, in the end I found I had fewer missed focus portraits when using an R body (and 1/250th flash sync!! - problem solved with M8). Composition was freer too.

Just my story. YMMV.

Regards, Rick.

[guy_mancuso]

Mine came in side by side. Hmmm Arms folded in is the M8


Rick actually i am a little worried about my 50 lux. It maybe off. I have to chack some files from today , I was playing with the focus after i posted these . It's a little off the 80 is dead on the money

[robsteve]

Guy:

It may be your rangefinder, the lenses are seldom off. Take your longer lenses, go outside and focus on something a mile or so away such as a radio tower. If the images don't align when the lens is at infininty and this is true with a couple of your lenses, your rangefinder is off.

[guy_mancuso]

I tried Robert it seemed fine. My other lenses are fine. i will check on this to be sure. it maybe me also . this is new to me with RF

[handcoater]

Guy,

I found all the fast lenses back focused with my M8, the 50 1.5 Nokton, 35mm 1.2 Nokton and 50 Noctilux. They all appeared to reach infinity in the finder. All my f:2, 2.8 and 3.5 lenses focused spot on: Zeiss 21, 35 and 50; leica 35 Cron; and CV 90 APO Lanthar (all had accurate focus). Don't know if it is relavant, but it is none-the-less strange.

[guy_mancuso]

Just checked soome files looks like i have a bad 50mm . i can send it back though but will run quick check on all my lenses in the morning , just to be sure it is not the M8 . My images have been fine but the 50mm is suspect.

Thanks Butch

[rick_dykstra]

Originally Posted by guy_mancuso

this is new to me with RF

Guy, here's how to check focussing accuracy of an M lens and rangefinder.

- remove the back, reinstall the base.
- put camera on tripod up high, pointed at the ground.
- lay an R system ground glass screen on the guide rails
- focus on a business card on the floor or something similar
- compare focus between rangefinder and lens

Oops - no back to remove with an M8! Hey, it's even easier.

- mount camera on tripod.
- focus on something with detail, up close and later far away
- compare rangefinder focus with focus as seen on rear screen or computer screen.
- too easy. Yikes, there's another digital advantage!

Some M users match lenses to bodies. Count up how many lenses you have and get that many M8s and a spare. Leica will thank you.

[rick_dykstra]

Originally Posted by guy_mancuso

Just checked soome files looks like i have a bad 50mm . i can send it back though but will run quick check on all my lenses in the morning , just to be sure it is not the M8 . My images have been fine but the 50mm is suspect.

Hmm, if one lens is standing out then maybe it is a problem. Still, my learning with Ms has been that they tend to look like they're back focussing most of the time, especially with close up portraits. My solution has been as described earlier - I've learned to focus a little closer than what the rangefinder says I should. I do this pretty well all the time with all lenses and bodies and get good results.

It's a feature! Not a fault.