If you are not interested in M8 please SHUT UP!

[egibaud]

Some answers and threads are quite laughable!!!

First I must say that I have astigmatism... so since I was 7 years old ( I am 39 now) I wear 1 filter in front of each of my eyes and I am not planning to bring my parents to court!

Second since I started taking pictures I was told. PROTECT YOUR LENS with a filter... UV ones are ok for the job... so having a filter on lenses is common to many of us.

Third since I use digital I read, the problem with digital is that people rely to much on post production and they no longer user filters to get all the effects they need or wish from the very first moment they imagine and compose their picture. There are less photo makers and more photo takers.

Fourth, there are often articles about IR photography.... and many say, since digital cameras have appeared it is sometimes difficult to get a camera to see IR... it was easier with films and filters

Fifth since I read this forum I see 2 kind of readers / writers. The one who say no way I'd spend US$ 5000 on a camera.... I can hardly understand why they keep coming here and give opinion about a product they will never buy nor use. And on the other hand, people who are willing to spend or have spent US$ 5000 on an M8 and they see as acceptable to do what they have ALWAYS done in the past... USE FILTER

Sixth but what REALLY makes me laugh is to read that someone willing to spend US$ 5000 on a body plus US$ 2000 to US$ 10000 on M Lenses say...... "what??? buy an US$ 80 filter???????????????"

My questions to them are....:

1- Is using a filter a problem?
2- are US$ 80 not affordable to you?

My answers to them are:

1- well I do not see al the fuss about traditional Leica photography and photographers, the beauty of taking your time, chosing your material, composing etc if all of a sudden using a filter is a great problem. Weren't we used to put our yellow, red etc. filter to get the clouds and sky etc. have the right contrast?????

2- if US$ 80 is to much money for anyone reading this, well, it sounds like he has been lying about is intention of buying Leica or he is really not aware of the cost of using this kind of material. He sounds like the guy who buys a sixth hand twenty year old 911 Porshe and then realize he will not be able to pay for the insurance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Conclusion:

Not happy with using filters or not able to pay for it??? return your M8 or don't buy any if you have not done it yet.... but please if you do either options LEAVE THIS FORUM WE DO NOT NEED MORE NEGATIVE FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS PRODUCT !!!!!!!!!!!!! 100% of Leica dealers will refund your money so please if you don't want it, send it back, don't buy it, cancel your pre-order, write yourself off waiting lists AND GIVE US A BREAK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[xxl-user]

filters can cause problems with reflections, especially with digital cameras.

i use filters for protection of my lenses only in dirty environments (on board of a yacht etc.)!

i want the maximum quality out of my leica-lenses. they are calculated without filter, so this is how they should be used.

also see the wideangle problem with ir-filter and m8 guy mancuso has discovered!!!

arnold

[stnami]

.. lost it? Why hello sunshine....... a bad day!

[egibaud]

Originally Posted by xxl-user

filters can cause problems with reflections, especially with digital cameras.

i want the maximum quality out of my leica-lenses. they are calculated without filter, so this is how they should be used.

arnold

.... why do you think Leica says filter + firmware upgrade???? maybe the second part is the tool to compensate your objections wish are acceptable anyway. If the firmware and 6 bit coding eliminates vigneting, maybe it can adjust the possible negative effect of a filter.

[erl]

It seems to me that these days, no one is addressing the most serious source of error in photographs. The photograper!

[M'Ate]

Another RANT !

Lots of words that contribute nothing.

[alexr]

Originally Posted by egibaud

Fourth, there are often articles about IR photography.... and many say, since digital cameras have appeared it is sometimes difficult to get a camera to see IR... it was easier with films and filters

Fifth since I read this forum I see 2 kind of readers / writers. The one who say no way I'd spend US$ 5000 on a camera.... I can hardly understand why they keep coming here and give opinion about a product they will never buy nor use. And on the other hand, people who are willing to spend or have spent US$ 5000 on an M8 and they see as acceptable to do what they have ALWAYS done in the past... USE FILTER
!

Fourth: What is this obsession with IR capabilities. Been in the business for 22 yrs, never sold a single IR image to a magazine (go to your newstand, how many IR images will you find in the magazines....how about..none.. )

Fifth: I do not know a single professional leica user who uses UV filters. We have NEVER done it in the past and don't see why we should start doing it now.

[egibaud]

Originally Posted by xxl-user

filters can cause problems with reflections, especially with digital cameras.

i use filters for protection of my lenses only in dirty environments (on board of a yacht etc.)!


arnold

At last someone who gives a sensible answer!!! I prefer to read, " I don't like filters for x or y reason" because it means you have analize this possibility, than what 90% of people say. I don't want to spend US$ 80 on a filter.

[rbihler]

The titel is one of the best statement about the "problems" with the M8.

Very good !

Reiner

[moikle]

What is it about digital capture that seems to cause such heated debate? It's getting like DP Review here.

Mike

[fotografz]

I AM interested in an M8. Some of the nay-sayers are interested in a M8.

What many are NOT interested in are some of the solutions to Leica's problems that have been speculated on to date.

Since Leica has not officially provided their plan of action to solve these problems, it may be a good thing that they know potential customers are not interested in the M8 as it is now, nor with any Duct tape solutions.

Marketing 101 my friend ... to grow your business, you listen to potential prospects while avoiding the alienation of your current brand loyalists.

Currently Leica cannot sell this camera to all of their die-in-the-wool Leica loyalist. How then can they conquest new customers that will evaluate with their head not their heart?

If Leica doesn't at least attract it's brand loyalist to this camera in great quantities, AND conquest a certain % of new converts, it could financially fail ... or become an off-shoot of some ice-hearted corporation looking for a status Marque ... like Ford and Jaguar ... and we all saw what that can mean ... initial improvements, then a corporate homogenization.

[alexr]

Marc, your marketing 101 is 100% correct.

[dugby]

The last thing I want to do is put an $80 filter, which after retailer profits, distributor profits, and multiple freight charges (from manufacturer to exporter to distributor etc) is a $1 piece of optically questionable glass on my $3,000 lens.

Go back and have a careful look at the front lens element of any lens, usually 10-20x the thickness of any filter. The collective lens elements of any optical design did not plan to have a $1 piece of 3mm glass with unknown optical properties in front of it.

I spent my first 25 years of photography shooting with all of the above said red, yellow, UV, skylight and polarising filters. But was recently enlightened (pun.. intended) to shoot my Leica without filters.

Has anyone else noticed all those newly posted M8 photos showing "with and without" the Cut filters......... yes the blacks are now blacker, but notice how many of the other colours are also changed..............

[rob_x2004]

I second the motion for more than four LMFAO smilies in a thread reply.
About a hundred would ge ok. No, a thousand. A million. Give us something constructive...unlimited smilies to witness our derision.

Anyway, more to the point, Does anyone have any feedback on those really small gas fed Webber BBQ's? I kind of want something that is convenient and small enough to pack away so it doesnt attract vermin. I have had enough of BBQ coals and fire starters. It probably doesnt have to accommodate mare than a few peoples meals at a time or do the occasional roast.

[stnami]

Rob what if I buy one of those Leica things and exhibit flawed photos and you can bring the barbie I supply the snags and rough red

[rob_x2004]

Mate I would, but I have to be honest and say I dont own one.




I put my gas BBQ out for collection a couple of years back and never got another one. I would have to set fire to your fence in the kitchen sink or something with the restrictions that are coming up on open fires. Hey get this, its nearly summer and they had snow in Queensland! What the hell is snow anyway? Isnt that what Lucifer plays with once in a blue moon and when his place freezes over?

[Peter41951]

Originally Posted by stnami

Rob what if I buy one of those Leica things and exhibit flawed photos and you can bring the barbie I supply the snags and rough red

I'm trying to make a joke about the salad looking like green blobs but can't make it work.

(Nice photo in UK's The Times today of children playing in the snow in Victoria.)

[rob_x2004]

Look we have legitimately hijacked this thread so please toe the line and keep the thread on track! Meat eaters only, none of this vegetarian green salad and magenta cabbage and spanish onions crap....Please.

[Peter41951]

Actually I'm concerned about the rough magenta wine.......

[rob_x2004]

Someone posted shots of filters, the one stained by the "Green fairy" was laying down, which is to be expected.

Still need to find out about the Webber. Too hot to cook inside around Christmas.