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jbstitt · 11/03/06, 02:35 PM

I am very happy that Leica is going to have great success with the M8. It looks to be a fantastic camera. It is not my style of shooting and not in my budget but it may be the financial success of Leica and the Leica mistique.

I did purchase a DMR and two lenses some time ago for my R8 and for me that was a huge investment. Yet I, and I believe many others, still are waiting for some really functional firmware that befits the technical quality of the DMR and R8/9.

Has Leica completely forgotten about their DMR customers? Where is the next revision of the firmware? As we all know Ver 1.2 was a disaster. I know there is a strained situation with Imicon (sp). Yet from a customer perspective that is Leica's problem, not mine. Another software revision was rumored to be in the works many months ago probably to be introduced right after Photokina. Yet here we sit still waiting for a new revision and there is almost no talk about it. I have a huge investment in an R-DMR system it is only marginally functional. It certainly does not support the Leica dedication to quality and industry technological leadership. Frankly, the competition for SLRs has much better software and almost as good image quality. Yes, there is nothing as smooth and well made as Leica, but I did not spend all that money for a paperweight. Isn't there an implied contract between Leica and DMR customers that the equipment would be functional? I do not consider it now so.

Leica, do not forget the DMR! Get the firmware out to make the DMR an equal element of the Leical product line and a continuation of the Leica dedication to excellence. And get it out soon.

John Stitt

pascal_meheut · 11/03/06, 02:46 PM

December.

leicamr · 11/03/06, 08:53 PM

Jbstitt,

I have been using my R8 / DMR conbination for nearly a year now. I agree that the firmware version 1.1 contains bugs, but I only found them during my brief 'play time' with the camera. During my regular use of the camera I never 'enter the bug(s) area'. If you consider that your DMR is not functional then I am happy to make you an offer to purchase your DMR, as I am sure I will get a cheap deal from you.

The results I am obtaining from my functional DMR are stunning, and yes I have tried the non German made 'competition'. With this in mind I consider the cost / performance of the DMR a bargain.

My DMR batteries are now charged ready for a corporate job to be done tomorrow. I can't wait, I love using it!

Regards

Mark

bono0272 · 11/06/06, 03:36 PM

Anymore news for the DMR firmware 1.3?

Is it really to be released in coming December?

john_f · 11/07/06, 05:37 AM

There was a Leica Day on Oct 25 at my local Leica dealer. When I asked the Leica rep about the DMR firmware update v1.3, I was told that it should be ready in December.

So December it should be ...

bono0272 · 02/09/07, 09:32 AM

We should forget about the new firmware of DMR. It has been discontinued.

carstenw · 02/09/07, 09:47 AM

That means that they won't sell any more, not that support ends. We know that Leica has been working on it. It is meant to come out around now, so let's wait a few weeks and see.

bono0272 · 02/09/07, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carstenw

That means that they won't sell any more, not that support ends. We know that Leica has been working on it. It is meant to come out around now, so let's wait a few weeks and see.

I do hope this can be happened in a short while, although none of the previous rumors about DMR firmware upgrade became truth. The DMR users have waited for a very long period.

woland · 02/22/08, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bono0272

I do hope this can be happened in a short while, although none of the previous rumors about DMR firmware upgrade became truth. The DMR users have waited for a very long period.

Well the awaiting has ended. There is no new firmwire or SW for the DMR. Let's hope that the new GEO will do something to rescue Leica /Solms of this embarressing situation.
I have both M8 and DMR and do not consider the company policy very good in abandoning the DMR and promoting the M8 Adobe marriage. Cheers

mjh · 02/22/08, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woland

Well the awaiting has ended. There is no new firmwire or SW for the DMR.

Oh my … the new firmware (1.3) people were waiting for when this thread was active has been released in June 2007.

andybarton · 02/23/08, 12:22 AM

It certainly wasn't June 2007, but it was before Christmas, and it does answer 99% of the issues with the previous firmware for the DMR.

I am very happy with v1.3

mjh · 02/23/08, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andybarton

It certainly wasn't June 2007, but it was before Christmas, and it does answer 99% of the issues with the previous firmware for the DMR.

My mistake – it was July 23, not June (the firmware was actually finished in June, but released in July).

andybarton · 02/23/08, 01:03 AM

How time flies...

marknorton · 02/23/08, 06:12 AM

I was interested to see when browsing the Kodak web-site that the sensor used in the DMR has been discontinued. The DMR is a "done" product but seems to have been much less problematic than the M8.

graeme_clarke · 02/23/08, 06:08 PM

Mark,

I wonder:
- how many sensors are on the "spares" shelf at the factory in case they're needed,
- what the shelf life of an unused sensor is - do they have a sell-by date,
- if there'll be an upgrade programme for the DMR?

Graeme

woland · 02/28/08, 08:50 PM

..well...by knowing the facts it is easier to accept the truth. High profile companies do not abondon products produced to professionals. Well some do- like Leica seems to be doing by leaving the R9DMR software and firmware production as it is. Cheap trick just in order to get the M8 on the market. (so called customer production development without back-up).
At least they should have the common manners in order to get the DMR DNGs and M8 produced DNGs work in the same program. And the best choice is Flexcolor as that was the way it started. Some SW guys should make at least a proper conversion program (not from adobe) for Flexcolor based DNGs to start with.
Just hope that the people at Solms get wise

or wiser

during 2008 or 2009 I do not care...Cheers

mjh · 02/28/08, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woland

At least they should have the common manners in order to get the DMR DNGs and M8 produced DNGs work in the same program.

It’s not really a matter of manners. It is not uncommon for different cameras from the same vendor to use slightly different raw formats; actually it happens all the time. The DMR and M8 use different A/D converters and different bit depths, and it’s not resonable to suppose that both can be made to write the same data. The DMR works quite well as it is, so why change it? And there isn’t anything wrong with DNGs from the M8, either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by woland

And the best choice is Flexcolor as that was the way it started. Some SW guys should make at least a proper conversion program (not from adobe) for Flexcolor based DNGs to start with.

The DNGs are just ordinary DNGs; they are in no way “FlexColor based”. FlexColor was a natural choice for the DMR back then, as the DMR was developed with a little help from Imacon, the developers of FlexColor. However, FlexColor will be phased out as a raw converter (it will live on as a scan software) when Hasselblad/Imacon introduces Phocus, so FlexColor won’t continue being a viable choice for any future camera.

woland · 02/29/08, 06:28 PM

You must have heard about proper business manners. According to those most deals are done. There must be some dispute between the little help from Imacon in the DMR development deal. Otherwise it would have continued to lead to support the coming M8 sensor and related software. Everybody with common sense know the reason. Unless it is unclear I feel sorry for you.
However, Leica as a traditional company with its financial problems (common knowledge) should not abandon old customers and leave them without product support. Makes you wonder....But take your time - there might be a future position in the marketing support for you...All the best. Take Care Woland

mjh · 02/29/08, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woland

You must have heard about proper business manners. According to those most deals are done. There must be some dispute between the little help from Imacon in the DMR development deal. Otherwise it would have continued to lead to support the coming M8 sensor and related software.

Leica and Imacon thought their cooperation on the DMR to be just the first step into a long-term relationship, but it didn’t work out. So what?

Quote:

Originally Posted by woland

However, Leica as a traditional company with its financial problems (common knowledge) should not abandon old customers and leave them without product support.

They used to have financial problems, but thankfully, these days are over. That Leica left their customers without product support is simply untrue. A few days ago, you did revive a one year old thread on the firmware version 1.3 that DMR owners were waiting for back then, stating “Well the awaiting has ended. There is no new firmwire or SW for the DMR.” – apparently unaware of the fact that firmware version 1.3 was released 7 months ago. What are you complaining about?

ptomsu · 02/29/08, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjh

Leica and Imacon thought their cooperation on the DMR to be just the first step into a long-term relationship, but it didn’t work out. So what?

They used to have financial problems, but thankfully, these days are over. That Leica left their customers without product support is simply untrue. A few days ago, you did revive a one year old thread on the firmware version 1.3 that DMR owners were waiting for back then, stating “Well the awaiting has ended. There is no new firmwire or SW for the DMR.” – apparently unaware of the fact that firmware version 1.3 was released 7 months ago. What are you complaining about?

Well Michael,

this is really seen through your very naive eyes!

The last FW uodate for the DMR did NOT bring features a lot of us were waiting for, like SDHC support, improved WB (like in the M8 today) etc.

So actually this FW 1.3 pissed lot of customers off. And some took the decision to sell this expensive piece of s.... before it lo

11/03/06, 02:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
jbstitt Benutzer Join Date: 03/09/04 Location: Memphis Posts: 72	Where is the next DMR software revision??? I am very happy that Leica is going to have great success with the M8. It looks to be a fantastic camera. It is not my style of shooting and not in my budget but it may be the financial success of Leica and the Leica mistique. I did purchase a DMR and two lenses some time ago for my R8 and for me that was a huge investment. Yet I, and I believe many others, still are waiting for some really functional firmware that befits the technical quality of the DMR and R8/9. Has Leica completely forgotten about their DMR customers? Where is the next revision of the firmware? As we all know Ver 1.2 was a disaster. I know there is a strained situation with Imicon (sp). Yet from a customer perspective that is Leica's problem, not mine. Another software revision was rumored to be in the works many months ago probably to be introduced right after Photokina. Yet here we sit still waiting for a new revision and there is almost no talk about it. I have a huge investment in an R-DMR system it is only marginally functional. It certainly does not support the Leica dedication to quality and industry technological leadership. Frankly, the competition for SLRs has much better software and almost as good image quality. Yes, there is nothing as smooth and well made as Leica, but I did not spend all that money for a paperweight. Isn't there an implied contract between Leica and DMR customers that the equipment would be functional? I do not consider it now so. Leica, do not forget the DMR! Get the firmware out to make the DMR an equal element of the Leical product line and a continuation of the Leica dedication to excellence. And get it out soon. John Stitt

11/03/06, 02:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
pascal_meheut Erfahrener Benutzer Join Date: 09/26/02 Posts: 923	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? December.

11/03/06, 08:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
leicamr Benutzer Join Date: 09/25/02 Posts: 54	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? Jbstitt, I have been using my R8 / DMR conbination for nearly a year now. I agree that the firmware version 1.1 contains bugs, but I only found them during my brief 'play time' with the camera. During my regular use of the camera I never 'enter the bug(s) area'. If you consider that your DMR is not functional then I am happy to make you an offer to purchase your DMR, as I am sure I will get a cheap deal from you. The results I am obtaining from my functional DMR are stunning, and yes I have tried the non German made 'competition'. With this in mind I consider the cost / performance of the DMR a bargain. My DMR batteries are now charged ready for a corporate job to be done tomorrow. I can't wait, I love using it! Regards Mark

11/06/06, 03:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
bono0272 Erfahrener Benutzer Join Date: 09/08/05 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 262	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? Anymore news for the DMR firmware 1.3? Is it really to be released in coming December?

11/07/06, 05:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
john_f Erfahrener Benutzer Join Date: 09/26/02 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 149	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? There was a Leica Day on Oct 25 at my local Leica dealer. When I asked the Leica rep about the DMR firmware update v1.3, I was told that it should be ready in December. So December it should be ...

02/09/07, 09:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
bono0272 Erfahrener Benutzer Join Date: 09/08/05 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 262	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? We should forget about the new firmware of DMR. It has been discontinued.

02/09/07, 09:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
carstenw Erfahrener Benutzer Join Date: 05/15/06 Location: Berlin Posts: 3,890	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? That means that they won't sell any more, not that support ends. We know that Leica has been working on it. It is meant to come out around now, so let's wait a few weeks and see. __________________ Carsten Leica M8 Lens Codes Through the Lens Darkly

02/23/08, 12:22 AM	#11 (permalink)
andybarton Moderator Join Date: 06/21/06 Location: Airstrip 1 - 53:17:00N 03:04:00W Posts: 7,473	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? It certainly wasn't June 2007, but it was before Christmas, and it does answer 99% of the issues with the previous firmware for the DMR. I am very happy with v1.3 __________________ Cheers, Andy ___________________________ 2008 Spring Collection now released

02/23/08, 01:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
andybarton Moderator Join Date: 06/21/06 Location: Airstrip 1 - 53:17:00N 03:04:00W Posts: 7,473	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? How time flies... __________________ Cheers, Andy ___________________________ 2008 Spring Collection now released

02/23/08, 06:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
marknorton Erfahrener Benutzer Join Date: 11/12/02 Posts: 5,236	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? I was interested to see when browsing the Kodak web-site that the sensor used in the DMR has been discontinued. The DMR is a "done" product but seems to have been much less problematic than the M8. __________________ Mark

02/23/08, 06:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
graeme_clarke Erfahrener Benutzer Join Date: 11/19/04 Location: Stockton on Tees Posts: 142	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? Mark, I wonder: - how many sensors are on the "spares" shelf at the factory in case they're needed, - what the shelf life of an unused sensor is - do they have a sell-by date, - if there'll be an upgrade programme for the DMR? Graeme

02/28/08, 08:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
woland Neuer Benutzer Join Date: 07/25/06 Posts: 7	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? ..well...by knowing the facts it is easier to accept the truth. High profile companies do not abondon products produced to professionals. Well some do- like Leica seems to be doing by leaving the R9DMR software and firmware production as it is. Cheap trick just in order to get the M8 on the market. (so called customer production development without back-up). At least they should have the common manners in order to get the DMR DNGs and M8 produced DNGs work in the same program. And the best choice is Flexcolor as that was the way it started. Some SW guys should make at least a proper conversion program (not from adobe) for Flexcolor based DNGs to start with. Just hope that the people at Solms get wise or wiser during 2008 or 2009 I do not care...Cheers

02/29/08, 06:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
woland Neuer Benutzer Join Date: 07/25/06 Posts: 7	Re: Where is the next DMR software revision??? You must have heard about proper business manners. According to those most deals are done. There must be some dispute between the little help from Imacon in the DMR development deal. Otherwise it would have continued to lead to support the coming M8 sensor and related software. Everybody with common sense know the reason. Unless it is unclear I feel sorry for you. However, Leica as a traditional company with its financial problems (common knowledge) should not abandon old customers and leave them without product support. Makes you wonder....But take your time - there might be a future position in the marketing support for you...All the best. Take Care Woland