D-Lux 4 & LX3

[nikonk]

mishima, I will do some tests later. Will keep you posted. Personally i feel the Photo Processor should be identical, all the Settings you see in LX3 you see in DLUX4, I havent found 1 part that is unique to either cam. Other than the RAW output for DLUX4 is RWL while LX3 is RW2.

[nikonk]

Originally Posted by rob_x2004

Only ... kind of.

"The Dlux4 is on Aperture Priority Mode, Nothing Adjusted, The LX3 is on Standard Film Mode, Saturation -1 & NR -1, the rest all default.

and;

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Some people visiting your site seem to think they are comparisons. I am surprised they arent more different.

sorry I used Aperture Priority Mode, thats how i would use the camera. I not there to do a scientific test and repeat N times. Normalize the output n etc.

My intention is to see how real world Point & shoot application will vary in those 2 cameras.

I use Saturation -1 and NR -1 because I found Panasonic tend to Oversaturate & Over NR.

[rob_x2004]

Sorry I ditched it. Should I put it back?
People tend to find the differences they want to find.
Im still in the doubting thomas camp, same camera till proven otherwise.

[nikonk]

these 2 are done in Manual Mode & fixed ISO & Preset WB. (LX3 still with Sat -1 & NR -1)
CAM A


CAM B


CAM A


CAM B

[rob_x2004]

These werent, which was my deleted post, and others;

new-1.jpg

Plus there is the variation in post processing.
Theres a perfectly vaid reason for buying the Leica model, that is you like the look of the thing better, or it makes you feel good
I thin kit is a bit of a shame it isnt, or doesnt seem quite as well built as the Nikon or the Canon but you cant have everything.
Whats the AF like on the thing? I do like the spot AF in manual focus mode, that is a bit of a winner.

[rob_x2004]

The reduced saturation in the LX3 shots (CAM B above) relate to the minus settings in Saturation (and Noise reduction) then? They do look a bit cleaner, but that probably isnt fair to the DLux in that instance.

[nikonk]

Originally Posted by rob_x2004

These werent, which was my deleted post, and others;

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Plus there is the variation in post processing.
Theres a perfectly vaid reason for buying the Leica model, that is you like the look of the thing better, or it makes you feel good
I thin kit is a bit of a shame it isnt, or doesnt seem quite as well built as the Nikon or the Canon but you cant have everything.
Whats the AF like on the thing? I do like the spot AF in manual focus mode, that is a bit of a winner.

Yes the earlier shots were done in a rush, I shot it right after I picked up the DLUX, some of it the shots DLUX4 clock is not even set. I used my other Battery from my LX2.

AF on the DLUX4 or LX3? I think both are identical, the Spot AF is neat, Sony implemented it in R1 quite a while ago.

I believe the difference are greater in Previous Gen DLUX3/LX2, the LX2 cannot seem to tweak much from the Picture Adjustment even you minus Saturation or Contrast or NR.

[nikonk]

Originally Posted by rob_x2004

The reduced saturation in the LX3 shots (CAM B above) relate to the minus settings in Saturation (and Noise reduction) then? They do look a bit cleaner, but that probably isnt fair to the DLux in that instance.

yes, i just try to make them look closer. I will try to shoot some with no adjustment from LX3 vs DLUX4 sometime this week.

[ianho_]

Finally did sum comparo shots today. I did it in a shopping mall with a good mixture of color n B&W shots ranging from ISO100, 200, 400 so we can see the differences if any. Sorting the pics now. Will upload in a short while. All comparo shots are done with exact same settings on both cams to see the diff in JPEGs.

[nikonk]

Below are shot in Manual mode, this round both STD Filmmode without adjustment in Both Cam

DLUX4 f2 1/15s ISO80 Preset WB STD FILMMODE


LX3 f2 1/15s ISO80 Preset WB STD FILMMODE


DLUX4 f5 1/15s ISO400 Preset WB STD FILMMODE


LX3 f5 1/15s ISO400 Preset WB STD FILMMODE

[ianho_]

Ok. Just uploaded the pics to my Photobucket so here they come. All pics were done with exact same settings on both cams with no tweaks to Saturation, NR n all that. I only used S +1 sharpening in camera for all shots in both LX3 n DL4. I left all other settings as standard to see the difference in the JPEG processing. All pics shot with AWB.


D-Lux 4- 1/30, f2, ISO200



LX3- 1/30, f2, ISO200








D-Lux4- 1/40, f2, ISO400




LX3- 1/40, f2, ISO400

[ianho_]

D-Lux4- 1/30, f2, ISO125




LX3- 1/30, f2, ISO125






D-Lux4- 1/30, f2, ISO250



LX3- 1/30, f2, ISO250

[ianho_]

D-Lux4- 1/30, f2, ISO200






LX3- 1/30, f2, ISO200

[Richard D]

Hi Everyone,
I just joined this forum and this is my first post. I now own the older Panasonic LX1 and am about to spring for either the LX3 or D-Lux 4. I have two questions: First- is the barrel distortion something that is automatically corrected in the camera, or post camera? Second, if I buy one of these, (I'm leaning toward the Leica) is the provided software Mac-compatible? I shoot mostly jpeg but will occasionally shoot raw. Thanks for any insights!

[Essemmlee]

I bought a D-Lux 4 last Monday and I haven't looked back. As a long time M8 user I am impressed with all aspects of this tiny camera. The detail on RAW shots is nothing short of spectacular. Here's a shot I took yesterday whilst walking the dog. This was pulled directly into CS4 via ACR 5.2 with no correction. Shadow detail is very good. Slightly sharpened.

[ianho_]

walking the dog? Nice back yard u have there Steve.

[Lewis]

It almost appears that the shots from the Lux 3 are a little cleaner? I'd expect the D Lux 4 to be better considering it's price tag? I wonder if we just blinded by the little red dot? I love Leica's but since selling my D Lux 3 and getting the Ricoh GRD 2 I haven't looked back!

[miami91]

If nikonk does too many more of these camera comparisons, he/she is likely to end up in hospital from all the mcdonald's being (apparently) consumed!

Jeff.

[samuelphoto]

Looks to me like the LX3 does a better job pulling out shadow detail. Anyone other owners have a comment on this?

[USA road racer]

BOTH cameras produce FANTASTIC photos! But I like the USA 3 year warranty which surely is worth the extra $$ if you use the $150 rebate~ it doesn't hurt so bad to spend the extra money. And if you did sell it, I'm sure you'd get a much higher price than trying to sell the Panasonic. I do own a V-Lux1 and really like it. But I need something more is a small camera than my Canon SD400 and this D-Lux4 seems to be the ticket. Guess I'm going to be ordering the Leica.