New M8 Profile for Trial

[harmsr]

I have been attempting to come up with a profile that works well with the M8 when using the 486 filters and C1.

On my monitor, it appears to render the colors correctly and rather neutral. It is by intent low on saturation, so that you can dial it in however you like.

Please try it and let me know how it works for you.

Once again it is for photos taken with the 486 filters installed.

This was done using the EyeOne Pro GretagMacbeth package vs. their Profile Maker 5 that Jamie used.

Download the file from the attached link and install it in the correct area on your computer for color profiles. If you are using a Mac and it attaches .txt at the end, just edit the file name prior to installing.

http://www.harmscustomdesign.com/M8

Best,

Ray

[drjon]

Originally Posted by harmsr

I have been attempting to come up with a profile that works well with the M8 when using the 486 filters and C1.

On my monitor, it appears to render the colors correctly and rather neutral. It is by intent low on saturation, so that you can dial it in however you like.

Please try it and let me know how it works for you.

Once again it is for photos taken with the 486 filters installed.

This was done using the EyeOne Pro GretagMacbeth package vs. their Profile Maker 5 that Jamie used.

Download the file from the attached link and install it in the correct area on your computer for color profiles. If you are using a Mac and it attaches .txt at the end, just edit the file name prior to installing.

http://www.harmscustomdesign.com/M8

Best,

Ray

Thanks for the effort in producing this profile. I downloaded it on my Mac and re-named correctly. But the system is not recognising it - so none of software lists it as an available profile. If I try to open it with the Mac utility, Colour Synch, it says it cannot be opened. Other .icm files can be opened. So far, therefore, I cannot test it. Maybe there is a glitch in the file. Thanks. Jon

[Jamie Roberts]

Yes--the file is corrupted as posted, though it looks like a profile in a Hex Editor. But I think it's truncated; I don't see the name fields.

In any case, I can't install it on Windows XP, nor will Profile Maker open it up.

Sorry! Try zipping the file up and then posting; these pseudo-text files can get a little messed on servers...

[sean_reid]

Hi Ray,

Yes, please do, I'm curious to try out your profile.

Cheers,

Sean

[harmsr]

I reloaded the profile to my website as a ZIP file which downloads correctly. Sorry, about that guys.

http://www.harmscustomdesign.com/M8

Please do try it and let me know if it works ok for you guys. Once again, it is a low saturation version that you can pump up to how you like it.

To me the colors are fairly true and neutral.

This was done through work on the RAW file and using GretagMacBeth's EyeOne Pro Match and not their Profile Maker as Jamie has. Profile Maker allows a lot more fine tuning. I had been using Jamie's low-sat profile until now even with the filters as it was SOOOO MUCH closer to reality than the C1 default profile.

Jamie, if you can improve it please do. If it is junk, well that is ok to. Everyone has to start sometime. This is my first attempt to create a real profile for a camera.

Best,

Ray

[wparsonsgisnet]

Ray, I have D/L'd it and C1 doesn't see it (windoze pc)
I put it in the windows\system32\spool\drivers\color directory, where Jamie's and my JFI profiles are located. I even made the extension of ICM lower-case. C1 does not see this profile on my pc.

tnx,

[Jamie Roberts]

Ray--thanks for doing this! I don't have the camera module for Eye One Photo, but I know it's a subset of the PM5 at its heart. What target did you shoot?

Anyway, what a welcome to the incredibly frustrating, but sometimes rewarding, work of profiling cameras, and the M8 in particular!

FWIW, I think you're very close under tungsten light; other light sources need some work still...

In my ridiculously quick poke at the profile (and I mean really quick), I first looked at some flourescent light snaps taken with the Elmarit 24 and the BW 486 filter. So any IR effects are minimal in this set.

The overall colors are ok; primaries are in the right place, but something funky is going on with Caucasian skin tones as they approach highlights. I'm seeing quite a bit of orange banding there.

In a different, daylight set, bright blue skies are a bit cyan and a little banded there too. Primary balance looks ok, though it could use a wee bit more saturation in reds.

The final three sets, taken either under "profile making conditions" with tungsten modeling light from a softbox--or even just in tungsten light--and always shooting with a filter, look the very best, for sure.

Skin tones, in particular, under tungsten are really quite good (a wee bit too orange still, as opposed to "red", for my taste, but minimal banding to highlights as I saw with the harsher flourescent light).

But other light, or mixed tungsten flourescent, and there seems to be some difficulty in the skin / oranges / reds...

[Jamie Roberts]

Originally Posted by wparsonsgisnet

Ray, I have D/L'd it and C1 doesn't see it (windoze pc)
I put it in the windows\system32\spool\drivers\color directory, where Jamie's and my JFI profiles are located. I even made the extension of ICM lower-case. C1 does not see this profile on my pc.

tnx,

Bill--I downloaded and unzipped the profile and C1 finds it ok. You might try just going to the unzipped profile and right-clicking on it and choosing "Install profile"--Windoze should do the the rest for you!

Then you need to restart C1 to find the profile (it finds them on startup).

[wparsonsgisnet]

Thanks for the Install trick, Jamie. I don't know why it made a difference but it got to the same directory where I was trying to go. Much more convenient, too. I had closed and opened C1.

Anyway, it's there now. Here's the photo I posted earlier, this time with Ray's profile. The tones look quite nice. Again, WB, same exp, focus, downsize. No noise reduction.

Thanks for all the work, both Jamie and Ray.

[atufte]

Thanks Ray...

Seem to work pretty good for the cyan vignetting problem, very good, i will for shure use this profile as default profile for color from now on, i would love this kind of profile in a chrome edition, with high contrast and a color boost aswell... great work, looking forward for your next edition of profiles....

Here are some samples from both Leica Generic, and the second one Ray's 486 filter profile:

[atufte]

Sorry, forgot to mention, the shot's above was made with Leica M8, summicron 35/2 pre-asph (coded) and (lens detection ON), at 640 ISO @ f/2...

[chrism]

Works on the mac too. Lower saturation than Jamie's lo-sat profile, but nice. My IR filters came from Adorama today (well half of them) and I find myself dialing in a little magenta to warm things up now!

Chris

[atufte]

I'm also on a Mac, works like a charm....

[harmsr]

Jamie - I shot the Digital Color Checker SG for this. I think your evaluation is exactly correct on the profile, which is good for me. Basically proving out what I was trying to do. I'll shoot the target in daylight conditions and see what I can do to improve the profile there also.

Chris & Alex - Try cranking up the saturation in C1 to +25 or so and I think you will find that works well.

After some more people experiment with the profile and give me some feedback, I'll try to tweek it a little.

Best,

Ray

[atufte]

Any new development in your profiles Ray...?, love the last one feel it need's some tweaking to get perfect... Thanks for your effort :-)