Leica R10: Any ideas?

[jaapv]

[quote=doctorlol;440059]I have given up the wait for R10 or whatever it wil be called. Gone for Nikon.

I did that when waiting for the DMR, went for Canon. Worst photographic decision I ever made financially speaking

[doctorlol]

Nikon D3 meets and beats all my expectations. But I do miss the red dot. However, if the price is as high as we all expect, then perhaps the R10 will be too late and a white elephant. I am sure some of my dear colleagues will purchase it, and I hope that the wait will be worth it.

Happy snapping New Year to you all

[adi sudarsono]

Originally Posted by ptomsu

Adi mention this .....

Yes, I agree that it would not be logical. But actually how many cameras can outperform the DMR for sheer Image Quality even this first day of 2008? Canon 1Ds Mk 2? Nikon D3? M8? Olympus E3? Sony? Pentax? Hasselblad? Mamiya? Only a handful if you are optimistic. Compromises there are plenty, to get that data sheet that says 200 fps or IS improves 500 steps or something.

It is just my hope and rant that AF, IS etc don't spoil the R10. I'm waiting so long for it. I'll actually wait even if there is a delay of some months after the Photokina just to get it right like the D1, D2, DMR, M8 and other digital Leicas

[Angora]

Time for a little UP.

According to this scan (and assuming it's not a fake), the R10 we are all longing for could possibly share parts of the S2's technology/design.

[andybarton]

Please, can we keep S2/R10 discussions to the thread in this section? Keeping this all together is much easier for everyone.

Thanks

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...ost-all-4.html

[Angora]

Well it seems that S2 and R10 are not the same cameras... or it indicates that there won't be any R10?

[Angora]

OK, according to Herr Kaufmann (reported by our webmaster Andreas) the S2 and the R10 are different beasts: A LEICA R10 is in development!

I really hope that a mock-up of the R10 will at least be shown at the Kina.




P.-S.: I hope you don't mind Andy, but I think it's not relevant to mix discussions over two different cameras - plus, one is on the verge to be sold while the other is presumably still under heavy development, which means heavy speculation.

[sdai]

12 posts webcast, and we're done?

[leica007]

R10: It's coming: when? don't ask.

British Journal of Photography - Leica signs partnership with Phase One, says R10's coming

[charlie03m]

I'd at least like to know if this hypotheitical R-10 will have a full-frame sensor or not.
Charlie.

[overgaardcom]

Thought not a lot of info on the R10, I think we have something to go by:

Is it coming? - YES
Fullframe? - YES (as a minimum)
AF lenses? - YES (and fast)
Fast buffer? - YES (same Maestro image processing system as in the S2)
Take manual R lenses? - YES, that too.
Leica simplicty? YES (just look at the lack of buttons on the S2)

From that we can guess:
It's going to be 24 MP or more (based on the 37,5 MP in the S2, reduced to size 24x36 would be 24MP)
Coming into existence summer 2009 or later
Same Kodak sensor, hence quality, as the DMR
Not a heavy camera
Probably less noisy than Nikon and Canon
Will be shaped after the highly popular R9 body, but much smaller

And one more thing. M9. They are working on that, too.

[tom0511]

The longer I wait for a R10 the more I explore that Nikon offers some very fine lenses as well.
On the other side a ff R10 + the 19/2.8 and 28-90 would be a very usefull set for my taste.
I really wonder if the S2-as good idea as it is-will sell in such volumes that it makes sense for Leica.
a 22MP full frame R10 with thin AA filter and 16bit-files would have been my prefered choice vs the S2.
Anyways, I am interested to see the output compared to the medium format solutions.

[ErikFive]

Seems like the R lenses will gain price again then. Buy them while their cheap folks. Remember what happened to the M line

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by tom0511

I really wonder if the S2-as good idea as it is-will sell in such volumes that it makes sense for Leica.

Not sure the S2 has to make sense for Leica. Seems to be a technology project that is an investment programme for the whole range - S, R & M. Without the S2 maybe the acquisition of knowledge and experience doesn't flow.

We've already seen the first spin off into M lenses. Perhaps this will just roll and roll.

Rolo

[lct]

Enough pro photogs will be willing to pay 20K for a smaller MF format hopefully, now what are we supposed to do with our R lenses if i may ask?

[R10dreamer]

Originally Posted by lct

Enough pro photogs will be willing to pay 20K for a smaller MF format hopefully, now what are we supposed to do with our R lenses if i may ask?

Hopefully, the same thing you've always done with them. Use them. A little heavy for jewelry.

[overgaardcom]

Originally Posted by lct

Enough pro photogs will be willing to pay 20K for a smaller MF format hopefully, now what are we supposed to do with our R lenses if i may ask?

Wait for the R10, I suppose. From what I've heard and see I have no doubt the R10 will take both AF and manual focus R lenses. And I think we might see more than one type of R10, perhaps a R10-CL type of camara(s).

And finally, I think there's a hope - small though - that an R-S adapter will emerge. But only if it's easy and logical to do, because frankly I don't see much relation for S users to go around and collect manual focus R lenses. Except that, say an 80mm f/1.4 could produce some interesting effects attached to an S body. But probably wouldn't be a preferred lens for such a system.

[johnastovall]

Originally Posted by lct

Enough pro photogs will be willing to pay 20K for a smaller MF format hopefully, now what are we supposed to do with our R lenses if i may ask?

Use them on the Canon 5DII.

[derek_stanton]

Originally Posted by tom0511

The longer I wait for a R10 the more I explore that Nikon offers some very fine lenses as well.

Every time i consider making a switch from Canon to Nikon, i'm struck by the reminder that Nikon doesn't offer a 'pro-grade' AF lens at 24, 28, or 35mm, and the 50mm has the worst bokeh of all the manufacturers. Meanwhile, Canon has a new 24/1.4L MkII, a 28/1.8, a 35/1.4L, and a 50/1.4 and 50/1.2.

Nikon is addressing the 50mm issue with a new lens to come in December. But, aside from preferring the Nikon body design philosophy, what's the allure?

Rhetorical question, really, as i still have mixed feelings. Waiting for something to make up my mind for me.

[paulmoore]

Originally Posted by overgaardcom

Wait for the R10, I suppose. From what I've heard and see I have no doubt the R10 will take both AF and manual focus R lenses. And I think we might see more than one type of R10, perhaps a R10-CL type of camara(s).

And finally, I think there's a hope - small though - that an R-S adapter will emerge. But only if it's easy and logical to do, because frankly I don't see much relation for S users to go around and collect manual focus R lenses. Except that, say an 80mm f/1.4 could produce some interesting effects attached to an S body. But probably wouldn't be a preferred lens for such a system.

I read a post from a guy who spoke with Dr K this weekend and the good Dr told him that a R-S adapter is in the works for next year.. Beside AF the S already has focus confirmation designed into it.. as described on its website.. so good news for rom lenses I would guess.