pascal_meheut Posted September 10, 2008 Share #1 Posted September 10, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anybody here already reported this? summilux.net :: Voir le sujet - Les nouveaux M et tarifs : M Noctilux 50 f/0.95 : 8000 euros M Summilux 21 : 5000 euros M Summilux 24 : 5000 euros M Elmar 24 f/3.8 : 1800 euros It comes from Chasseur d'Images, a well-informed and serious magazine. I think I'll keep my 24/2.8 for the time being and I'll dream of the Summilux and even more of the new nocti. . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/62622-21-24-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=649088'>More sharing options...
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sdai Posted September 10, 2008 Share #2 Posted September 10, 2008 Does the magazine include a vignetting chart to illustrate the amount of light fall off on the 21 lux? the official brochure / press kit should have it together with the distortion measurement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 10, 2008 Share #3 Posted September 10, 2008 Both of these were mentioned in the Noctilux thread, but this is the first time I have seen pictures of the lens. The 24 Summilux was the one we saw reference to in Solms in June - poo-poo'd by some at the time Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 10, 2008 Share #4 Posted September 10, 2008 Any picture of the 24mm Summilux? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 10, 2008 Share #5 Posted September 10, 2008 David Farkas and I back in June 07 when on our Leica/Porche tour had dinner our last night in Germany with Stefan Daniels and this was exactly what we talked about fast wide angle summilux lenses. 21, 24 and 28 and we also talked about the Summarits and some very wides about 3.8 like a 12 or 18 mm. Looks like some of this has or will hit the streets. We talked some about the M8 and changes too it but until something is announced i don't want to get into it. But if this is the case a good showing so far. Now let's see where i put that pile of cash. Hmmm Not long now folks and all the beans will be spilled. Like to know myself:D Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 10, 2008 Share #6 Posted September 10, 2008 I think many of us have said since the launch of the M8 that some fast wides were missing from the lens line up. No need to be Einstein to work out that a 35mm Summilux was a bit long for a fast lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 10, 2008 Share #7 Posted September 10, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Exactly Steve we all talked about this from the very beginning. The big one that I think everyone agree the most important was the 21mm being at least F2. Glad to see they went further and gone 1.4 . The way i see it if the high ISO cannot happen in the M8 this does give some relief to what i talked about the other day with high ISO limits on CCD sensors. The most out there is a Phase One P30 plus back which is rated at 1600 but even still 1600 is nice but not without some noise. They are the same Kodak sensors in practice. Now Kodak has something else out there that not sure will make there way into a M8 or M9 right now but hopefully that will come sometime in the future. Glad to see they did the fast wides though. Still hoping to see the extreme wides like a 12, 15 or 18 even at 3.8 would be welcome. Let's see what happens next. Fingers crossed leica lovers. BTW like I said numerous times Leica does read and listen to what we say , so good dialogue on this stuff is important. They do listen to there customers, they may not act on it as fast as we want but it is important. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted September 10, 2008 Share #8 Posted September 10, 2008 Shit! If this is the Leica news for the Photokina, then they have missed the bus completely. What they urgently need is a prime 16mm lens and a basic bright frame finder to go with it. What they should also give thought to is a 28mm Summilux, because 28mm is the 'short standard lens' of the M8, just as 35mm was the short standard of film cameras. And what is this? A new Noctilux 50mm! Nobody of our generation(s) wanted the Noctilux for its speed. They wanted it for its unique fingerprint. No matter what the characteristics of a new Noctilux will be, everybody will simply complain that it is not the old Noctilux. And unless Leica can bring out a full-format digital M, the 50mm length is pure nostalgia—a stranded whale on the beach. No, let the Noctilux die. It is more useful to Leica as a legend, than as an actual over-the counter lens. A 24mm Elmar? For what? When Zeiss is offering a 25mm 1:2.8 at not much more than one third the prospective price? And the 21mm seems unwieldy in the extreme. A Summicron I might understand. But as I and most everybody can handhold a 21mm lens down to 1/15th, and jack up the ISO to 640 without dire consequences, again, WHY? My latest Leica lens is a ZM 1:4/18mm. The old man from the Age of the Contax—the Contax II No Suffix Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 10, 2008 Share #9 Posted September 10, 2008 Interesting how these things are viewed ( not you Lars but in general) and for Leica it is viewed completely different . It sometimes is not that they will sell but leica can make them. A lot about bragging rights and the 35-70 2.8 was one of those bragging rights lenses. they actually lost money making them. The Nocti is no different , it is all about pride and the fact they can make it. I think this holds true in more cases than we think. Not to drift OT here but leica is not a nikon or canon in many ways. I think folks don't understand this part of Leica. They take a load of pride in what hey make and it may not be the perfect solution at the same time. And it maybe the slowest seller out there but who else has a 21 1.4 lens out there. I believe after watching them since the DMR days a lot of this holds true. My opinion and may not be true but just the way i view them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyphoto Posted September 10, 2008 Share #10 Posted September 10, 2008 I vote for Leica 21mm at new summarit price, light and compact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 10, 2008 Share #11 Posted September 10, 2008 I'm surprised that there isn't a 16mm either. However, in 35mm terms I'm certain that 35mm and 28mm sales were a lot higher than 21mm and 24mm sales. Hence the emphasis on getting the fast 21mm and 24mm out of the door first in order to give the M8 users fast lenses that correspond to the 28-35 range on a cropped sensor. Or at least that's how I interprete their release. I'd expect a 16mm lens before too long together with a 28mm Summilux. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted September 10, 2008 Share #12 Posted September 10, 2008 I suppose Leica have worked on what they can ie optics whilst we wait to see if they can come up with more MP and a larger sensor with better high iso capabilities. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 10, 2008 Share #13 Posted September 10, 2008 I really don't think there done yet and that is not any inside info. Just think there is more coming. I agree they need those extreme wides also. CV with there 12 and 15mm and Zeiss with there 18mm really made some headway into the market. Almost everyone has a CV 12 or 15 in there bag. Big market. In that meeting I talked about David and i said this a lot about a 3.5 12, 15 and 18mm from leica. I really hope they did this. We all talked about this since the the release of the M8. One case i really hope they listened to all of us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted September 10, 2008 Share #14 Posted September 10, 2008 What Leica needs is not bragging lenses, but selling lenses. Else, they might just return to producing pseudo-photographic bling-bling in cigar boxes for Oriental potentates without taste. My comfort (which will last until Photokina opens) is that pictures like these are very easy to fake. And German company lawyers are if possible even more rabid than the American breed, so if the information is true, then someone will probably roast in legal hell. With Tabasco on. The egregious old man from the Age of Egregious Old Men Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 10, 2008 Share #15 Posted September 10, 2008 CDI has too much or a reputation to risk losing it by printing stories they know may not be true - and I seem to remember they refuse to sign NDAs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangur Ban Posted September 10, 2008 Share #16 Posted September 10, 2008 Almost everyone has a CV 12 or 15 in there bag. Indeed, but that's because they are relatively inexpensive so many of us felt like a punt and they are so small they're easy to carry. There would be far fewer if they had cost Leica prices rather than a few hundred quid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted September 10, 2008 Share #17 Posted September 10, 2008 CDI has too much or a reputation to risk losing it by printing stories they know may not be true - and I seem to remember they refuse to sign NDAs. First thing I do when I arrive on Brussels Midi Station (I travel there almost weekly): go look if there is a new CDI or Reponses Photo. Best Photo Mags in the EU! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 10, 2008 Share #18 Posted September 10, 2008 Indeed, but that's because they are relatively inexpensive so many of us felt like a punt and they are so small they're easy to carry. There would be far fewer if they had cost Leica prices rather than a few hundred quid. I think though even at Summarit pricing around 1500 US they would still sell like hot cakes. If it has Leica build quality and RF focusing , I really think folks would buy or move up to them. I know i would no question and if there coded even more so Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share #19 Posted September 10, 2008 BTW, the lenses and the prices have been confirmed by an official Leica reseller. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitnaros Posted September 10, 2008 Share #20 Posted September 10, 2008 I think those new 'luxes are appealing; not so much their price, which, if the Euro tag is true, is crazy. My other thought is that a wide 'lux is great for reportage, but you need to be able to focus (and compose) quickly, particularly at f1.4 or f2.0. That should work on the M8 on a 24-lux, but the 21mm would need an external viewfinder for composing. That will limit its usage for real reportage work in my mind. Going back and forth between a hot shoe finder for composing and the standard finder for focusing...OK, for landscape, urban scapes etc., but for people, not so sure... Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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