MP v M6TTL shutter speed dial

[rob_x2004]

How do you reach the MP shutter speed dial? The 6TTL seems far enough forward to reach with your finger.
Regards

[erl]

The MP is a manual camera which means you use both hands!

Joking aside, I think it is like the classic M6 which requires you to grasp the dial with thumb and forefinger, whereas the M6TTL dial can be adjusted by 'rubbing' with the forefinger easily. Eminently practical, in addition to which, it rotates the same way as indicated by the exposure LEDS. Sensible!

Now wait for the traditinionalists to scorn changes from the 'old way'.

As the Gyuto Monks say, "nothing is forever".

[rob_x2004]

It is good that the MP doesnt leave any hands left over for wan...I mean, really thats good Erl.
Still I guess the MP has the viewfinder that exposays the subject with a more clunning starity...(Yeah I know its expose with a doovie over the 'e' but my keyboard ain't French)
Much between the viewfinders Erl?

[TimF]

If you use the first joint of your finger to release the shutter (ie, the one nearest the knuckle), then the tip of your finger will be resting on the shutter speed dial. Its then a doddle to alter the speed without changing your grip.

To do this does require the use of Tom Abrahamsson's softie or something similar though - Rapidwinder & Rapidgrip.

[leica_mage]

I use my index finger just as I would with the Alka-Seltzer tablet...

Those who think the MP's dial is cumbersome should should a IIIg for six months (don't get me wrong, I love those cameras!).

[Rolo]

As above,

I too rest the tip of my forefinger on the knurled edge of the MP's dial, roll it round to set the speed and release the shutter with the finger behind the joint without re-positioning the finger.

Takes only a moments practice, but that's what evenings are for.

[erl]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Takes only a moments practice, but that's what evenings are for.

Rolo, I think I should take you aside sometime and explain a few things.


Rob, I haven't used the MP but I understand the VF is much improved, as is the latest M7, compared to the M6.

Lets face it, if it were all easy work, where would the fun be?

[leica_mage]

Originally Posted by erl

[...] Rob, I haven't used the MP but I understand the VF is much improved, as is the latest M7, compared to the M6. [...]

Erl, indeed. For quite some time now, I've considered the M6 flare issue overblown. It never was extreme, nor was it something that couldn't be adjusted with a slight rotation of the camera. Then during this weekend, I was shooting at night in a Cuban-style bodeguita where a live band was playing. I saw an opportunity for a couple of good shots of the guests at the tables with a bit of the band showing from behind. Focus was obviously critical. I go to focus, and... flash! The rangefinder patch had never flared so badly. A particularly strong spotlight was hitting it. No amount of rotation got rid of the problem. As I'm not a fan of the cumbersome cheap fix of sticking my finger in front of the frameline illumination window (which I nevertheless tried later on, only to end up fumbling with the rest of the procedure), I lost the shot.

That is why I am very much looking forward to my MP!

Cheers,

[rob_x2004]

So why not the M7 and shoot manual mode KP? Why did you decide not to go that route?

[chrisweeks]

i have both an m6ttl and the mp.

at first i was pissed off about the direction of the shutter speed dial and the led's ...

but now ... the m6ttl pisses me off.

[erl]

Originally Posted by chrisweeks

i have both an m6ttl and the mp.

at first i was pissed off about the direction of the shutter speed dial and the led's ...

but now ... the m6ttl pisses me off.

That observation does call for some explanation in the light of the fact that the M6TTL & M7 have some logic in their 'rotation direction' whereas the MP (I am assuming it goes the other way) has no logic, that I am aware of.

[TimF]

Depends perhaps on how long one has been shooting with a Leica M. If you are used to the shutter speed direction of all Leicas from the M3 to the M6 'classic' (and the MP also) then the opposite rotation of the M6 TTL and M7 could, I imagine, be immensely irritating.

Certainly, mixing a pair of models with differently rotating dials is a recipe for photo-rage!

[erl]

Originally Posted by TimF

Depends perhaps on how long one has been shooting with a Leica M. If you are used to the shutter speed direction of all Leicas from the M3 to the M6 'classic' (and the MP also) then the opposite rotation of the M6 TTL and M7 could, I imagine, be immensely irritating.

Certainly, mixing a pair of models with differently rotating dials is a recipe for photo-rage!

Yes Tim, you are right. That is exactly my situation. Despite owning and using both styles, I see 'logic' in the later design over the earlier design, simply because 'later' coordinates the direction of aperture, shutter dial and LED indicators.

[chrisweeks]

Originally Posted by TimF

Depends perhaps on how long one has been shooting with a Leica M. If you are used to the shutter speed direction of all Leicas from the M3 to the M6 'classic' (and the MP also) then the opposite rotation of the M6 TTL and M7 could, I imagine, be immensely irritating.

Certainly, mixing a pair of models with differently rotating dials is a recipe for photo-rage!

ya' know ... i used to shoot both canon and nikon when i was giving canon a test ...

got used to it ...

much like i did last night with the m6ttl and the mp.

get this ... a client says, "do you think you can do b/w film?"

i thought they were on drugs.

then again, this is hollywood ... so ... it's very possible!

no photo rage though ... i dunno why ... but ... it works.

[leica_mage]

Originally Posted by chrisweeks

ya' know ... i used to shoot both canon and nikon when i was giving canon a test ...

got used to it ...

much like i did last night with the m6ttl and the mp.

get this ... a client says, "do you think you can do b/w film?"

i thought they were on drugs.

then again, this is hollywood ... so ... it's very possible!

no photo rage though ... i dunno why ... but ... it works.

Chris, I've been meaning to e-mail you for some time now. I read your Ode to the... Thwaaaap and was delighted beyond words. Somebody who feels the way I feel, somebody who writes the way I like to talk, somebody who knows the difference between the Leica and its optics and all that other junk floating out there...

It was beautiful.

Will you be accessing your e-mail anytime soon? I'll send you something if so.

You rock, and I'm glad you exist. And I'm a very, very, very difficult one to say things like that. But in your case... deviantArt and the superb-tasting... charcoaled iguana. Freedom, freedom, freedom. No wimps getting upset because of words...

Best to you always!

[rob_x2004]

Yea well, wade through all that shit and scraping and tell me why you don't like the ttl as much anymore. Viewfinder? Display? How come?

And how do they compare with a flash when you need it?

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My dog's bigger than yours but my photos are pretty crap.

[erl]

My dog's younger than yours (11 months), but he'll be bigger tomorrow!

[leica_mage]

Originally Posted by erl

That observation does call for some explanation in the light of the fact that the M6TTL & M7 have some logic in their 'rotation direction' whereas the MP (I am assuming it goes the other way) has no logic, that I am aware of.

It does: it's the mechanical (as in water tap) logic - same as the aperture ring! - vs. the electronic (as in amplifier volume control) logic.

Cheers,