jonoslack Posted March 25, 2014 Share #1 Posted March 25, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi There Like many of us, my M is definitely my first camera, but there are times when a zoom lens and AF is just what's needed. I was happily using my µ43 equipment until the Sony A7r came along . . . . . . and then things went badly downhill. I've written a little article about my experiences, if it gives you a smile, or even a grimace of recognition, then it was worth writing: GAS and Mirrorless Enjoy - I don't think it counts as educational! 14 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wda Posted March 25, 2014 Share #2 Posted March 25, 2014 And whatever happened to the XV about which you wrote so enthusiastically? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted March 25, 2014 Share #3 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) It's all going to start again in April, with the Leica T..... Edited March 25, 2014 by stevelap 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_murray Posted March 25, 2014 Share #4 Posted March 25, 2014 ....and continue with the rumoured Sony medium format sensor mirrorless .... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted March 25, 2014 Share #5 Posted March 25, 2014 for me i am beginning to think that owning the sony as my go-to zoom lens AF digital when needed and using my m4 and m6 the rest of the time and selling my m9 ..... just part of the thought process. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted March 25, 2014 Share #6 Posted March 25, 2014 Jono, yes it doesn't apply to me, but it was still a nice read. On a computer screen I would not be able to tell which image was made with which camera. I'm very happy your grand-daughter is doing so well. Modern medicine is amazing. Ps. The cure to GAS is, it seems to me, the same as the key to a happy marriage - be happy with what you have and remember why you got it in the first place 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted March 25, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) And whatever happened to the XV about which you wrote so enthusiastically? Hi there David. The X-Vario is sitting here, my wife uses it some of the time, and so do I occasionally. Great image quality and fine ergonomics. All the best 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted March 25, 2014 Jono, yes it doesn't apply to me, but it was still a nice read. On a computer screen I would not be able to tell which image was made with which camera. I'm very happy your grand-daughter is doing so well. Modern medicine is amazing. Ps. The cure to GAS is, it seems to me, the same as the key to a happy marriage - be happy with what you have and remember why you got it in the first place Hi there If you enjoyed reading it, then I'm pleased, it was my only intention. Certainly I'm not trying to persuade anyone of anything! Modern medicine is, indeed, amazing, and every time I see that smiley little face I'm reminded of the dedication of the hospital. The NHS doesn't get a bad press around here! I think you're right about the cure to GAS, and it is exactly how I look at my marriage. I think a good marriage and a manageable dose of GAS is not too awful! All the best 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 25, 2014 Share #9 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) I conquered GAS by sheer willpower and force of personality. I told myself I didn't need any other camera than the M, and sold nearly all my others - I just have a Ricoh GRD4 and a pinhole camera left. My wife is very pleased. To help me avoid a relapse, I just buy lenses now. And I had a good time buying old lenses online at the Westlicht auction last Saturday. But lenses don't count as GAS, do they? Do they? Please reassure me. Edited March 25, 2014 by LocalHero1953 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted March 26, 2014 Share #10 Posted March 26, 2014 ..............Modern medicine is, indeed, amazing, and every time I see that smiley little face I'm reminded of the dedication of the hospital. The NHS doesn't get a bad press around here!.........All the best I certainly agree with you there Jono. My first grandson was born similarly very premature in 2008 and owes his life to to expertise and dedication of the all the staff involved with his care. Thanks for the article too, we've most of us been there...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 26, 2014 Share #11 Posted March 26, 2014 Why do cameras have to be 'second'? If you think it second best why not keep it quiet and don't make anybody else feel bad about their own choice? Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 26, 2014 Share #12 Posted March 26, 2014 I don't think Jono is necessarily saying anything is "second best" 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted March 27, 2014 Share #13 Posted March 27, 2014 The story about the cameras was pretty boring. Not the fault of the author at all, but simply that all this digital camera talk has become kind of tedious lately as it's just the same old thing repeated over and over. There are plenty of fine tools to choose from, and all with a good fit for even the most discerning princess. And we've seem to somewhat hit a plateau already in respect to real world image quality needs. Yet the manufacturers keep grappling to find the perfect flavor of ice cream. No wonder it's a struggling industry. But what was interesting was the story of the "thin, angry red jellybelly" named Scarlett Rose. It got me thinking of the state of health care in the world, and the politics of it all (and especially in the US, where it's unfortunately become such a volatile subject.) I'm glad to hear that she is doing so well now after those 73 days of such distress. And it's also a great story that the family wants to return something back to the NICU of Norfolk and Norwich NHS hospital as a form of their gratitude. That made my day. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 27, 2014 Share #14 Posted March 27, 2014 I don't think Jono is necessarily saying anything is "second best" Why have a hierarchy at all then, using the word 'second' nowadays clearly implies a pyramid of cameras from pointy end to base. It is possible to use one camera more than another, it is possible to need a type of camera more than another, but not so long ago people simply had another camera that often did something a bit different to their other camera. I'm pretty sure I know what Jono means (I do indeed have another camera, many in fact, but I call them other camera's (unless I get drawn into a debate and use the term 'second' mistakenly), not second camera's) but it's the mild insecurity that accompanies the term 'second' in modern camera buying that gets my goat. 'Backup', there's another term, traditionally meaning buying an identical copy, now it means any other camera that won't get used much, if at all. 'Second' and 'backup' aren't far apart in the overall paranoia that the camera industry encourages by the implication that you need a 1,2,3,4, (where 1 is your most expensive 'investment', and 4 is possibly an iPhone). Today in popular parlance it is almost exclusively based on outright image quality with no regard for the usefulness of any particular camera at any particular time. So nobody dare say they get better pictures from their AF m43 camera and not their M, it has to be described as a hierarchy, justifying perceived lower performance by saying something is 'second'. This turns around the common sense approach where nobody had to apologise over a 35mm image and justify it in a camera hierarchy, people simply knew it was a small camera being used for a reason rather than a big large format camera being used for a reason. Jumping out of time would a much older generation of Winogrand, HCB, etc have called their iPhone their fourth camera, I doubt it. They would still have a camera preference of course, but downplaying a good image and introducing negativity by already thinking of another camera as second, third, or fourth wouldn't have come into it (until they'd also been drawn into the paranoia of modern camera marketing) Steve 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted March 27, 2014 Share #15 Posted March 27, 2014 Quite. I own different cameras for different purposes. Some fulfil an emotional need - Leica II and M2 - some practical - Ricoh GR. There is no hierarchy. They are a toolset. I use a hammer for nails and a screwdriver for screws. I can hammer in a screw with a hammer, but it is not the tool for the job. Sent from another Galaxy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share #16 Posted March 27, 2014 HI Steve Certainly not second best. Second, because I use my Leica M most - that's all! Why do cameras have to be 'second'? If you think it second best why not keep it quiet and don't make anybody else feel bad about their own choice? Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 27, 2014 Share #17 Posted March 27, 2014 'Backup', there's another term, traditionally meaning buying an identical copy, now it means any other camera that won't get used much, if at all. This happened, at least for me, because of a switch to digital from film. I never had the need to carry a 'back-up' for reliability reasons in 40 years using film cameras. When my first digital Leica (could have been any brand) had to be sent to NJ for more than a month for 'maintenance', and later when it 'locked up' during a shoot, perspective and needs changed….and so did terminology. Words from computer-land and camera-land have tended to merge. My camera only used to get 'locked up' when I put in in secure 'storage'….not data storage…I mean cabinet... speaking of which, I used to keep my 'files' in a cabinet, not in my camera. Words evolve. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted March 27, 2014 Share #18 Posted March 27, 2014 Jono, thanks for posting. I really did enjoy the article. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 27, 2014 Share #19 Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) I'm suffering a bit of GAS at the moment and have some funds ready to spend. I am sort of considering a pre-ASPH 35 Summicron-M to pair with my 75 Summilux but at the moment the 40 Summicron is OK, and the idea of a WATE still floats around in the back of my head. But I must say that I haven't found anything that I really want to buy :eek: Jono, thanks for article which just further reinforces my thoughts. So I'll just have to stick to all of the crappy Leica equipment I own and go out and take some photos. I could perhaps spend the money on a photography holiday - now wouldn't that be a strange thing to do? Edited March 27, 2014 by MarkP 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 28, 2014 Share #20 Posted March 28, 2014 WATE ..... go for the WATE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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