bill Posted July 18, 2013 Share #1 Posted July 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) This from a closed thread asking about a disappeared thread that it appears was deleted. It all sounds remarkably like censorious Newspeak to me. And so quick too. What is going on? Regards, Bill Sent from another Galaxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Hi bill, Take a look here "The thread was deleted at ADMIN request based on the mission statement.". I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted July 18, 2013 Share #2 Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) There is nothing going on. We do not want the forum overrun with divisive anti/pro gun threads. And yes, the owner of the forum has a say over the content. The mission statement quite clearly limits political threads. We are quite lenient, witness the threads running in the Bar. However, when all is said and done, we do not provide a political forum here. Edited July 18, 2013 by jaapv 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted July 18, 2013 Jaap, thank you for the more detailed explanation. The veiled reference to "mission statement" came across as simultaneously evasive and censorious. There seems to be a greater willingness to snap threads closed quickly these days and this felt particularly hair-trigger (no pun intended). Regards, Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil U Posted July 18, 2013 Share #4 Posted July 18, 2013 There is nothing going on. We do not want the forum overrun with divisive anti/pro gun threads. ...The mission statement quite clearly limits political threads. So, in fact, there_is_something going on. What is going on is the forum limiting and censoring political threads and discussion. That's the owner's choice, fair enough. Personally, I don't see that the forum is really being overrrun by anti/pro gun threads or political debate. Or even at risk of being overrrun. Is it any worse than it has ever been? Is it so bad that it cannot be dealt with by the normal means of moderation as and when required. Was the last discussion on guns not, on the whole, a healthy, well mannered, intelligent and informative debate. Polarised, sure - just like many camera threads are. In need of the odd piece of moderation, sure - just like any other threads sometimes do. But I didn't see it in any way doing a disservice to the forum. On the contrary, IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 18, 2013 Share #5 Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) There is a reason it is not overrun - they are being controlled. Anyway, this is not the House of Commons or Hyde Park Corner. The owner of the site sets the limits, and that is it, I fear. It is clearly set out in the Mission Statement that political threads are not allowed. That they appear from time to time is solely due to the moderators being lenient. On a sidenote, I do not think that the word "Censor" can be applied the English language regarding a private environment. Edited July 18, 2013 by jaapv Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted July 18, 2013 Oh it can... I understand the logic, however I was not comfortable with the apparent unseemly haste and a stated justification open to (mis-)interpretation. Enough said. Regards, Bill 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 18, 2013 Share #7 Posted July 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, it can be applied, but it will have no meaning Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil U Posted July 18, 2013 Share #8 Posted July 18, 2013 ]On a sidenote, I do not think that the word "Censor" can be applied the English language regarding a private environment. It can. Consider, for example, corporate censorship. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 18, 2013 Share #9 Posted July 18, 2013 Anyway, this is a private site and Andreas sets the limits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil U Posted July 18, 2013 Share #10 Posted July 18, 2013 It is clearly set out in the Mission Statement that political threads are not allowed. That they appear from time to time is solely due to the moderators being lenient. I recall it being clarified that there is no 'right' to discuss politics, religion etc anywhere on the forum. I think we all understand and accept that we have no absolute rights to post our views on any matter. But I also recall Andreas clarifying that the pro-active ban on political discussion was specific to Cafe Leitz and that such a change in the rules wasn't necessary for Barnack's Bar because the majority of political debate there was without the problems seen in Cafe Leitz. I think that remains the case. So saying that political or religious threads are not allowed in Barnack's Bar, seems to be going beyond what was intended. My understanding was that political and religious threads are still allowed and even encouraged but they will be moderated/closed/deleted if they get out of hand, i.e.the rules are the same as they ever were - we may discuss politics and religion but we must do so respectfully and not in a manner that breaks the rules and/or does a disservice to the forum. Have i got this wrong? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 18, 2013 Share #11 Posted July 18, 2013 There seems to be a greater willingness to snap threads closed quickly these days and this felt particularly hair-trigger (no pun intended). I agree (gosh, I agree with Bill about something?? <grin>). The best moderation is where you don't notice it happening. That seems to be no longer the case. Once upon I time threads were only closed if they were illegal or abusive. Nowadays it seems to happen is there's anything that would frighten the kittens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 18, 2013 Share #12 Posted July 18, 2013 The mission statement quite clearly limits political threads. We are quite lenient, witness the threads running in the Bar. However, when all is said and done, we do not provide a political forum here. Could you point me in the direction of this 'mission statement'? I can't find a mention of political threads being banned in the rules... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/about-leica-forum/6909-rules-leica-forum.html 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsheepdog Posted July 19, 2013 Share #13 Posted July 19, 2013 There is nothing going on. We do not want the forum overrun with divisive anti/pro gun threads. And yes, the owner of the forum has a say over the content.The mission statement quite clearly limits political threads. We are quite lenient, witness the threads running in the Bar. However, when all is said and done, we do not provide a political forum here. For what it is worth, there is more insult presently being tossed around in a bar thread about the technicalities of retrofocus lenses than in the political or in even the gun threads. So, is insult OK if confined to photographic technicalities? Immoderate moderation methinks, me being of course the authority! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 19, 2013 Share #14 Posted July 19, 2013 If you have a problem with a post use the warning triangle in the lower left hand corner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted July 21, 2013 Share #15 Posted July 21, 2013 I can't find the mission statement referred to above. Please, would someone provide a link. Thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 25, 2013 Share #16 Posted July 25, 2013 I can't find the mission statement referred to above. Please, would someone provide a link. Thank you. Peter, I suspect that this is what you're looking for although it's not actually titled 'Mission Statement'. Pete. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted July 26, 2013 Share #17 Posted July 26, 2013 Thanks Pete. I noticed that it came out the day after I asked the question, coincidentally of course since its been around in the original German for a while I gather, before Euston translated it into English for us. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 27, 2013 Share #18 Posted July 27, 2013 The translation was posted a few weeks ago originally, this is a repeat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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