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Jaap - agreed. And let's think about it folks. How many of us have had direct emails from the R&D team at Canon or Nikon as we've had to deal with wrinkles in their professional bodies? I appreciate the kind of risk that Mr Daniel may be taking in giving any kind of answer. As things stand I'm OK with waiting for a bit to see how things pan out. The new quiet shutter plus the actuate / re-cock separation will give me the M8 that I always wanted. It's good for my purposes as it stands (ok - a slightly better 1250 / 2500 would be fun), but it will really come back into its own as a discrete photo-reportage tool - and knock the socks off most of the competition in terms of portability, lack of intimidating bulk and some pretty good lenses!