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Originally Posted by adan

Let me expand a bit...When it comes time for Leica to build a "full-frame" (24x36mm) sensor, they can, of course, simply keep Kodak's CCD architecture as used in the M8 and DMR, and just put more of the same pixels on a bigger sensor. And as sdai says, this will get them to about an 18 Mpixel camera - with about the same noise performance as the M8.

Andy your reading a lot of minds here and it is what i expect just a bigger Kodak CCD in both a R10 and M9. i want Leica to keep the Kodak CCD sensors , i do like them better than any CMOS sensor i have used

Alternatively, they could use a sensor with larger pixels, only a small increase in total pixel count (to 12 or 13 Mpixels) but a big increase in low-light noise performance, a la Canon 5D (and presumably, but we shall see, the Nikon D3).

My bet it is 18mpx or More for Leica

Or they can go somewhere in between, with subtle improvements in both resolution and noise.

I think by the time of release they will figure a way with CCD sensors to be clean at 1250 as it is today at 320 or at LEAST gain one stop more

I just hope Leica does not have blinders on, and looks at all the possibilities before making that decision.

Eye's wide open

A big sensor, of course, has other aspects than pixel count and pixel performance. Less (or more creative) DOF for a given field of view, for example. Corner performance, especially with wide lenses, for another. It will be interesting to see how a Nikon 17-35 or 14-24 or 20mm prime performs on the D3, as regards vignetting or CA. Has Nikon borrowed from Leica/Kodak and offset the microlenses?

I agree this is were Nikon may have it's issues just like Canon doe's today. You just simply can't introduce FF without regard to your glass that can handle that image circle correctly

Carsten: Good points - although at this point I still sort of feel that ALL DSLRs seem to have something missing. Practically any of them, from the D80 up through the D3 (and including the 40D and 5D) could win me over today if they just included a) an SD card option, and b) optional OEM split-image focus screens for manual focus.

The biggest thing there missing is Dyanmic range and they still can't satisfy that need for MF quality with just a lower pixel count. This is the biggest area of image issues. Leica and the Fuji S5 seem to be the only ones trying harder here

Alternatively, the pro Canons (which already offer a and b) could get to me by lopping off about 25% of their height and weight.

reason we are shooting M8's at least part of it


Although as I mentioned before, I'd still have a tilt to Nikon simply because of their backward compatibility to pre-AF non-plastic lenses.

There edge over Canon in big way

I do think both Canon and Nikon have turned a significant corner this week - and Leica is no doubt reviewing their own working specs for the R10 in light of these events (or at least I hope so!)

Completely agree as a industry they have turned a corner , now it it is up to leica to come out with a R10 at 18mpx , 16 bit, FF, CCD, No AA, Faster processor, Smaller camera like a 5D , Focus confirmation, maybe 3 AF zoom lenses and actually go out and kick some royal ass against the bigger companies. i am standing in line waiting