thighslapper Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3661 Posted December 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anybody tried their M 90mm Macro Elmar on the A7R? This is one lens that I am amazed with on the A7R. It is small and seems to be very easy to hand hold and focus. ....... Works fine ..... But if you take photos of a uniform background it rather oddly vignettes a fair bit .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3D-Kraft.com Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3662 Posted December 14, 2013 The Author claims the Hyperprime is much sharper than the Noctilux and provides a single comparison picture. The Noctilux is back focussed on the black leather background rather than the camera. I didn't even bother to read the rest. I shot both several times in comparison on NEX-7 and GH2 which both have a pixel pitch that would be about 60 MP on a full frame sensor. The lenses were focused through EVF magnification so there was no doubt about miscalibration. In both cases the HyperPrime CINE resolved at least as good as the Noctilux 50/0.95 ASPH but with less aberration (e.g. purple fringing). Similar result from other testers. I guess it is interesting to know that there exists a "hyperprime" that has surveyed this long in one piece, must have used "hyperloctite"! Deja vu... But even in a Leica forum, the truth can not be ignored. By the way, my HyperPrimes still work fantastic without any flaw. You find them (besides samples from the Summilux, so there should be enough Leica reference) here: Bokeh Dreams from 21mm to 135mm with Sony A7 & A7R These were the candidates: 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3663 Posted December 14, 2013 Hand holding this camera without shake needs 1/2xfocal length ...... As against 1/halfxfocal length with a Leica M in my hands...... A7R with... 85mm focal length, hand held at 1/50s: Flammenspuk - Sony A7R + Contax/Zeiss Planar T* 85mm f/1.4 @ F1.4 - DSC08603 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! 85mm focal length, hand held at 1/80s: Goblins - Carl Zeiss / Contax Planar T* 85mm f/1.4 @ F1.4 on Sony A7R - DSC09126 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! 55mm focal length, hand held at 1/60s: Zeiss FE Sonnar T* 55mm f/1.8 @ F1.8 on Sony A7R - DSC09313 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! The hit and miss rate with my A7R is (resolution equated) quite like the same as with my meanwhile gone M 240 and D800E. But nevertheless I would still recommend 1/(2xFL) or shorter with ANY camera providing more than 16MP. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3664 Posted December 14, 2013 Listen to the video. They state that the sensor is top of the top with conventional lenses and Rf lenses. Rick, it is you who should listen to the video again Transcript: "The top of the top for picture quality on conventional lenses; but also, if you are adapting rangefinder lenses, it's an outstanding option." Outstanding option == A better options than other similar options And indeed it is. You just happen not to like that adapting option. Others do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3665 Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Oddly, one friend of mine reports that the Metabones and Fotodiox adapter are better for Leica M lenses than the Novoflex one. He says the opening in the Novoflex adapter is too small and causes corner smearing issues with his 28mm Summicron that he does not get with the other adapters. He says the vignetting is similar...due to the lens. I don't know if this is true or if he really did a scientific test. But he is testing various lens adapters. I am only reporting what he said. Maybe some people here have a different opinion but it might be worth testing. Edited December 14, 2013 by AlanG 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3666 Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Rick, it is you who should listen to the video again Transcript: "The top of the top for picture quality on conventional lenses; but also, if you are adapting rangefinder lenses, it's an outstanding option." Outstanding option == A better options than other similar options And indeed it is. You just happen not to like that adapting option. Others do. Ok, now you are going to tell me what I happen not to like? I like the camera. This camera is going to be killer for a lot of people, including me... I just can't afford to keep it for just R-lenses which, I am not that good at yet and don't gravitate toward photography of subjects that my Tele lenses lend themselves to. For the rest of my M lenses (I own) this camera is not going to be "outstanding" like Sony stated, by any stretch of the definition... no matter how many commas and semicolons you want to put into the Sony reps' mouth. I feel very fortunate to have what I have. If, I didn't have a M240 I'd keep would have kept the Sony A7R. If, I had the M9 I would be tempted to keep the A7R or the A7 and wait for the next M. Rick Here is my low light wet-dream. 280mm/2.8 APO (I should have kept this camera) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited December 14, 2013 by RickLeica 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2487229'>More sharing options...
gdi Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3667 Posted December 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) My apologies for coming across this way. I was only trying to state I don't have any normal focal length R-lens so, I couldn't recommend one and that for the M lenses, as a whole, I can't endorse the camera. Sorry it came across the way it did. Rick No problem at all, I think we are in full agreement. If I were not willing to pick up a couple of R lenses (or maybe C/Y) mine would be heading back too. This not a flexible option for M lenses. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3668 Posted December 14, 2013 Hi, shutter speed was 1/50. Taking pictures like that takes some doing ... My keep/discard ratio is around 1/20 ... I wanted to show what a SONY a7 can also do. With my Leica M9 I could not take a picture like that. I do not know where my R-to-M adapter is ... and do not care ... I feel better now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3669 Posted December 14, 2013 ..... Bit late on a reply ....... I think if you are after better high ISO performance you may be disappointed....... Hand holding this camera without shake needs 1/2xfocal length ...... As against 1/halfxfocal length with a Leica M in my hands...... I find myself using much higher ISO than on the M which would completely negate (and more) the gain over M9 ISO performance allegedly offered by the sony. To my eye the the actual noise is more noticeable than the M and takes more getting rid of in LR. If are intending to jump from M9 to A7r for this reason alone you may have problems....... It all depends what you shoot. The vast majority of my photos involve people and I don't shoot below 1/60s. At this speed, the 50 LUX ASPH is razor sharp on my A7R (more so than on my M9). And the benefit at high ISO is considerable. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 14, 2013 Share #3670 Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) What was in crashed grey container? Sony A7, A7Rs? The elusive Leica R-M adapters! I see further down Rick said same. Sorry for the repeat. Edited December 14, 2013 by algrove 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3671 Posted December 15, 2013 Oddly, one friend of mine reports that the Metabones and Fotodiox adapter are better for Leica M lenses than the Novoflex one. He says the opening in the Novoflex adapter is too small and causes corner smearing issues with his 28mm Summicron that he does not get with the other adapters. He says the vignetting is similar...due to the lens. I don't know if this is true or if he really did a scientific test. But he is testing various lens adapters. I am only reporting what he said. Maybe some people here have a different opinion but it might be worth testing. The Hawk's adapter Ver.2.5 features a 36mm diameter in the minimal opening, while the ver. 3.0 is of 40mm. The latter makes bit of brighter corner than the former. Perhaps somebody may measure the inner opening of Novoflex, Metabones, or Fotodiox and others, contributing to a rule of thumb how to select adapter using Leica lenses on the A7/A7R. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3672 Posted December 15, 2013 Here is my low light wet-dream. 280mm/2.8 APO (I should have kept this camera) This is outstanding, by all means But good luck handholding that Frankenstein combo. I would go Canon anytime for long teles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3673 Posted December 15, 2013 Oddly, one friend of mine reports that the Metabones and Fotodiox adapter are better for Leica M lenses than the Novoflex one. He says the opening in the Novoflex adapter is too small and causes corner smearing issues with his 28mm Summicron that he does not get with the other adapters. He says the vignetting is similar...due to the lens. I don't know if this is true or if he really did a scientific test. But he is testing various lens adapters. I am only reporting what he said. Maybe some people here have a different opinion but it might be worth testing. Here are some quick measurements I just did. Leica M to Sony E Adapter: Inner Diameter Measurements Phigment ............ 30.87 mm Hawk's Factory .. 36.01 mm Fotodiox ............. 41.54 mm Novoflex ............. 41.66 mm Fotodiox Pro ...... 41.74 mm Metabones black 41.83 mm Metabones red ... 41.84 mm The inner diameters are not uniform. They vary a little bit. I measured the largest diameter of each adapter I could find. Based on these measurements my Phigment and Hawk's Factory adapter are too small for FF. I have found major vignetting for 90 and 135 mm focal length for the Phigment but not the Novoflex adapter. Phigment LM-NEX: Electronic Leica -> NEX Adapter - FM Forums The diameters of the other adapters seem fairly close to each other. 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3674 Posted December 15, 2013 This is outstanding, by all means But good luck handholding that Frankenstein combo. I would go Canon anytime for long teles. Not me. For really long lenses I prefer MFT handheld! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3675 Posted December 15, 2013 Fotodiox ............. 41.54 mm Novoflex ............. 41.66 mm Fotodiox Pro ...... 41.74 mm Metabones black 41.83 mm Metabones red ... 41.84 mm The inner diameters are not uniform. They vary a little bit. I measured the largest diameter of each adapter I could find. Appreciate K.H.'s diligence in this work. Given Alan's friend's finding is correct and the triviality of opening difference among Novoflex, Metabones, and Fotodiox, maybe the relative distance between the position of minimal opening diameter and sensor also matters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3676 Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) I see KH says he measured the largest diameter. Now I don't have any of these adapters so I can't help any in understanding their configuration. But is the largest diameter also the same as the smallest diameter? I'll try to get more info but I wonder if Novoflex might have made different versions of this because he specifically said that he could see it had a smaller opening than the Metabones one. Perhaps his is older and was made with just the Nex APS models in mind and the current one has a larger opening. I really have no idea but maybe owners of the Novoflex ones should measure the opening. I do have a hard time seeing how it would impinge on a 28mm lens. Edited December 15, 2013 by AlanG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3677 Posted December 15, 2013 I'll try to get more info but I wonder if Novoflex might have made different versions of this because he specifically said that he could see it had a smaller opening than the Metabones one. Perhaps it was made with just the Nex APS models in mind and the current one has a larger opening. I really have no idea. Apparently whether an adapter works or not has a lot to do with the design of the lens in question. Even the Phigment adapter doesn't cause any problems for the WATE. However it causes major vignetting for 90 and 135 mm lenses. 75 mm is a borderline case as far as I can tell. Go figure. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phigment Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3678 Posted December 15, 2013 Apparently whether an adapter works or not has a lot to do with the design of the lens in question. Even the Phigment adapter doesn't cause any problems for the WATE. However it causes major vignetting for 90 and 135 mm lenses. 75 mm is a borderline case as far as I can tell. Go figure. Thanks for doing these measurements. The reason vigentting is apparent on longer lenses is the placement of the narrowest part of the Phigmenttech adapter. The entire throat isn't narrow, it's only the part nearest to the lens bayonette. This can technically be fixed with a redesigned circuit board and plastic housing, but this option is too expensive for small production amounts. Here are two diagrams. One is a cross section of my actual models, the other is a really rough drawing I made the other day trying to illustrate why wider lenses won't vignette while longer lenses will (really not to scale though). As can be seen, many wider lenses actually have their exit pupil sitting below, or not very far recessed beyond the circuit board. This means there will be no physical obstruction. http://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/img/Adapter.JPG http://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/img/drawing.gif 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3679 Posted December 15, 2013 Thanks for doing these measurements. The reason vigentting is apparent on longer lenses is the placement of the narrowest part of the Phigmenttech adapter. The entire throat isn't narrow, it's only the part nearest to the lens bayonette. This can technically be fixed with a redesigned circuit board and plastic housing, but this option is too expensive for small production amounts. Here are two diagrams. One is a cross section of my actual models, the other is a really rough drawing I made the other day trying to illustrate why wider lenses won't vignette while longer lenses will (really not to scale though). As can be seen, many wider lenses actually have their exit pupil sitting below, or not very far recessed beyond the circuit board. This means there will be no physical obstruction. http://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/img/Adapter.JPG http://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/img/drawing.gif Many thanks Paul for the illuminating explanations. Indeed I measured the inside diameter of the narrower plastic circuit board inside the wider metal part of your adapter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trylab Posted December 15, 2013 Share #3680 Posted December 15, 2013 Here are some quick measurements I just did. Leica M to Sony E Adapter: Inner Diameter Measurements Phigment ............ 30.87 mm Hawk's Factory .. 36.01 mm Fotodiox ............. 41.54 mm Novoflex ............. 41.66 mm Fotodiox Pro ...... 41.74 mm Metabones black 41.83 mm Metabones red ... 41.84 mm Just want to add: Voigtlander ............ 41.68 mm ( 36.44 mm with metal "circuit board" inside) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2487521'>More sharing options...
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