MarkP Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1721 Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry Ict, uninteresting indeed... I have never posted an adverse comment on Steve Huff but now I will. There is significant interest in how wide angle RF lenses perform on the A7R. He has the camera to use and must have more than a 28 and 35, but there is not a single decent photograph that demonstrates edge performance even with these two lenses (which demonstrate perfect black edges). Of the daylight photos with the 28, one is a B&W conversion and the other has a dark right edge but it does suggest red edging. Oh that's right he doesn't do gear reviews- just real life stuff. Edited October 29, 2013 by MarkP 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Hi MarkP, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1722 Posted October 29, 2013 All hope is not lost as long as we don't get corners like this (Canon 5D, Elmarit-R 28/2.8 # 11204). Encouraging for me. YMMV. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2452791'>More sharing options...
jaques Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1723 Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Is this a US dealer and if so who is it? I've seen no mention of that here or at the NYC show. no - Australian authorized dealer. No idea if it is a universal offer- I will ask when I drop back in in a day or two. He said you would get a certificate for cash back on your choice of adapter, he mentioned Leica M, Canon and Nikon but I think there may be more options. And Jono: sure it is no sweat to make an adapter ring. But to actively market Leica rings- and give them away- strongly suggests to me who Sony are aiming at. It also suggests they have some confidence that Leica lenses will actually work well on these cameras- once the 'beta dust' settles... I get the feeling Sony have done some M lens testing of their own on this design... Edited October 29, 2013 by jaques Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1724 Posted October 29, 2013 Sony A7 and A7R sample photos posted: Groundbreaking full-frame, mirrorless cameras deliver stunning images 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1725 Posted October 29, 2013 Sony A7 and A7R sample photos posted: Groundbreaking full-frame, mirrorless cameras deliver stunning images Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! All shot around f/5.6, from f/4 to f/6.3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! All shot around f/5.6, from f/4 to f/6.3. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2452954'>More sharing options...
lct Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1726 Posted October 29, 2013 Any Leica lenses? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1727 Posted October 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is an interesting comparison between A7 and A7R downsized to 24 MP. Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless - FM Forums Full size here: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9092/49690153.3b/0_a9ebc_ec08520a_orig WOW! That's more like it, A7R sharper. That's my experience with D800E as well. √ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1728 Posted October 29, 2013 Wish we could see the 24-70 sampled. For now that would be the only AF Sony FE lens I might be interested in getting if I got the a7r. Of course the main reason is Leica glass, but it seems a shame to get the camera and not own one Sony AF FE lens. Since I have the RX-1 I am not interested in the FE 35 nor the FE 55 since it looks way too large to me coming from using Leica small Summicron 50's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1729 Posted October 29, 2013 Wish we could see the 24-70 sampled. For now that would be the only AF Sony FE lens I might be interested in getting if I got the a7r. Of course the main reason is Leica glass, but it seems a shame to get the camera and not own one Sony AF FE lens. Since I have the RX-1 I am not interested in the FE 35 nor the FE 55 since it looks way too large to me coming from using Leica small Summicron 50's. You'll have to wait a bit for the 24-70. Sony did not even have a working one as of last week... just more or less a mock up to show the size and weight. The camera with the 35 f2.8 is still pretty small. The 55 is larger of course. Maybe someone will make a collapsible manual focus 50 for this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1730 Posted October 29, 2013 Sony A7 and A7R sample photos posted: Groundbreaking full-frame, mirrorless cameras deliver stunning images Had better download the Sony "Image Data Converter Ver.4" from SAR, because RAW files look much better than JPEG ones. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1731 Posted October 29, 2013 That's an important update from Steve Huff facebook page. Might turn things upside down: "So it appears the Zeiss 21 2.8 works great on the A7 and has color issues on the A7R. (Magenta sides). So far, for wide angle M mount glass 28mm and under the A7 may just be the better option." Samples later this evening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1732 Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Sorry Ict, uninteresting indeed... I have never posted an adverse comment on Steve Huff but now I will. There is significant interest in how wide angle RF lenses perform on the A7R. He has the camera to use and must have more than a 28 and 35, but there is not a single decent photograph that demonstrates edge performance even with these two lenses (which demonstrate perfect black edges). Of the daylight photos with the 28, one is a B&W conversion and the other has a dark right edge but it does suggest red edging. Oh that's right he doesn't do gear reviews- just real life stuff. I can't say I have followed Huff any but everything I've seen from him is pretty amateurish and worthless to me. He just strikes me as a guy who likes playing with cameras and writing about them to drive his site. Not much of a photographer or technician either. So what have I learned from his reports on the A7? He likes how it feels and the camera can actually make photographs. Edited October 29, 2013 by AlanG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1733 Posted October 29, 2013 Had better download the Sony "Image Data Converter Ver.4" from SAR, because RAW files look much better than JPEG ones. Latest version? Image Data converter Ver.4.2.02 for Mac OS X Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1734 Posted October 29, 2013 Let's not jump to conclusions before Ken Rockwell has had the chance to speak 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1735 Posted October 29, 2013 Latest version? Image Data converter Ver.4.2.02 for Mac OS X I'm using the Ver. 4.2.02.10112 for both Mac OS 10.8 and Win 7. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1736 Posted October 29, 2013 Latest version? Image Data converter Ver.4.2.02 for Mac OS X It is what i'm using alright, no idea whether it is the latest version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1737 Posted October 29, 2013 It is what i'm using alright, no idea whether it is the latest version. Thanks. Well, it displays the RAW files! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1738 Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) I looked at the various linked photos here. I downloaded some raw files from Imaging Resources and Sony's converter. It is hard to know if those shots got the most out of the cameras since I guess they were taken handheld at shutter speeds between 1/60th and 1/125th. Also the shallow depth of field on many made it hard to judge the ultimate quality that may be possible from the A7r. That being said, they look good to me. The two shots of a bus and buildings from the FM site that looks to be tripod mounted and a more critical comparison had my interest. Despite being jpegs and the A7r file being scaled down, the A7r file looks more detailed... but it is only very slight. I would liked to have seen a full size A7r version. I think you usually scale a higher res file down like this to compare high ISO noise... to see if the lower res camera has an advantage due to the larger pixels. So I'm not sure why they scaled it for a resolution test. I applied the same amount of unsharp masking to the photos to see if that could compensate for the AA filter in the A7. (It actually was one photo with the two images.) I see that accentuates the stair stepping in the round sign and I figured it would be less evident on the shot with the A7 and its AA filter. But I guess this is really due to just getting to the limit of resolution. Perhaps a different raw converter would have made these curves smoother. There is some haloing but that seems to be on the original jpegs and was just accentuated by sharpening. These photos have been stepped on twice in that the posted files were jpegs that I then worked on, saved as tiffs and converted again to jpegs. And the 17r was scaled down and re-saved via some process. Even still, pretty good I think. I am anxious to see how the A7r camera does via raw files in DXO. (Once there is support for it.) And it would be great to compare a 5DIII with the A7r using the 24 TSE Canon lens. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 29, 2013 by AlanG 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2453242'>More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1739 Posted October 29, 2013 AlanG Do you know what lens or lenses were used on which camera? Mostly interested in the a7r files. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 29, 2013 Share #1740 Posted October 29, 2013 Oh boy, another 3-6 months of looking at pictures of 100% crops of the corners of boring brick buildings. Shoot me now. Tell you what, I'm going to go lie down in the back seat and sleep. Wake me when we get there, ok? 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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