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Originally Posted by smokysun
in this discussion and request for new leica cameras, silent operation seems to have been ignored. there's tremendous advantage in most situations to the d2 in this regard. (and the d-lux 2). i would like to see more clamor for a d3. same lens, better sensor (higher iso capability), and better body build (does the lc1 really have a metal body while the d2 plastic?), faster raw. most estimates give the starting cost of the m8 5000 dollars. i want a d3 for under 2000. is anyone listening!
hope so,
wayne
ps. other advantages: true live view, no dust on sensor, no changing lenses. you work with what you've got.
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Wayne,
You raise a number of points. One, where is Leica headed digitally with regards to minimal shutter noise. Two, did the Leica Digilux 2 have a metal body. Three, there is a need for a true Digilux 2 successor.
The ability to shoot unobtrusively has been one of the mainstay features of the Leica brand. This advantage is made possible in M Series cameras due to both their rangefinder nature (lack of mirror) and deployment of a cloth shutter. The Digilux went even further, being nearly silent due to its electronic shutter.
However, the future of a quiet digital camera, that offers full analog manual controls, is in question.
First, the forthcoming digital M reportedly, due to technical requirements, will use a metal shutter as opposed the a cloth one. How much noise will this introduce? Second, the fate of the Digilux line is unknown.
I do not agree that the Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1, with its SLR design and limited live LCD preview, could be considered an adequate successor to, or be used as a replacement for, the LC1, nor be the basis for a Digilux 3. The virtually silent electronic shutter coupled with full analog manual controls and live LCD preview defined the Digilux in its own right as a completely new photographic tool separate from rangefinders, SLRs, view cameras, and pocket point-and-shoots.
Without a cloth shutter digital M, or true Digilux offering, there will be no more available options to work digital and unobtrusively and still have the ergonomics and quickness that full analog manual controls provide.
I feel that neither the Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 nor the forthcoming digital M offers the functionality to met the shooting requirements that I or many others have for a photographic tool. Including the combination of:
Silent and unobtrusive operation that only a electronic shutter can provide.
2/3 Sensor for wide depth-of-field which is just as advantageous for some as shallow depth-of-field is for others.
True Live LCD preview that enables non eye level framing.
Self-contained and relatively compact all-in-one system with affixed zoom lens.
Fast lens (2.0)
All of the above features already have existed with the Leica Digilux 2 and Panasonic Lumix DMC-LC1. The areas for improvement should build upon and enhance the functionality already available, not negate it. This should include:
A very large image buffer as one way to facilitate burst Raw capture and dramatically improved shot-to-shot performance.
Support for the SDHC format.
Venus Engine III which benefits include: Reduce noise
Faster processing
Reduced power drain
Utilize the latest EVF technology
Improved wear of finish: Less scratch prone
Rubber that does not change shape and loss adhesion
With regards to the Digilux 2 body, like the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LC1, it was nether completely metal or plastic. My understanding is that the body was actually made of a Matsushita proprietary polymer suspended magnesium material (anyone familiar with the Panasonic Toughbooks?). This is a very durable and resilient substance that can be easily molded into unique shapes too improbable and, or costly by other means. I have repeatedly heard of reports of the cameras holding up under extreme punishment. The paint and underlining primer and protective coating may scratch and wear off but the case does not crack or chip. The Panasonic Lumix DMC-LC1 was made of the same material but with a different finish than the Digilux 2.